What if KO was a 40% 3PFG shooter?

[jaketwice]

As of right now, he seems like he is not prepared to be a part of the Celtics' long term plans. He lacks athleticism, and does not shoot weel enough away from the hoop.

I think the athleticism is unlikely to improve. He has short arms, and would need to develop a degree of lateral quickness that seems unreasonable, given the circumstances.

However - what if she shot 40% or better from beyond the three point line? That's a skill he could legitimately improve. It would take a power forward away from the basket (if he could do it) and would open up driving lanes for Rondo. It would also create some serious dynamism in terms of pick and roll, or double pick and roll plays, where the big man could screen out beyond the three point line.

Would you consider him a part of the Celtics' long term plans if he could improve his percentage from deep to that degree? Channing Frye presently shoots 40% from deep, and is 25th in the NBA in 3PFG%, by way of comparison. Kyle Korver is 1st at 47% (which is INSANE).

To what degree would he need to improve his 3P shooting to be a part of the C's plans (if you don't think he already should be)?

[Chief]

I don't want him becoming Raef Lafrentz. Yes, I'd love it if he shot a higher % from 3 point range but I don't want him being a perimeter only player.

[hwangjini_1]

As of right now, he seems like he is not prepared to be a part of the Celtics' long term plans. He lacks athleticism, and does not shoot weel enough away from the hoop.

I think the athleticism is unlikely to improve. He has short arms, and would need to develop a degree of lateral quickness that seems unreasonable, given the circumstances.

However - what if she shot 40% or better from beyond the three point line? That's a skill he could legitimately improve. It would take a power forward away from the basket (if he could do it) and would open up driving lanes for Rondo. It would also create some serious dynamism in terms of pick and roll, or double pick and roll plays, where the big man could screen out beyond the three point line.

Would you consider him a part of the Celtics' long term plans if he could improve his percentage from deep to that degree? Channing Frye presently shoots 40% from deep, and is 25th in the NBA in 3PFG%, by way of comparison. Kyle Korver is 1st at 47% (which is INSANE).

To what degree would he need to improve his 3P shooting to be a part of the C's plans (if you don't think he already should be)?

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

[footey]

As of right now, he seems like he is not prepared to be a part of the Celtics' long term plans. He lacks athleticism, and does not shoot weel enough away from the hoop.

I think the athleticism is unlikely to improve. He has short arms, and would need to develop a degree of lateral quickness that seems unreasonable, given the circumstances.

However - what if she shot 40% or better from beyond the three point line? That's a skill he could legitimately improve. It would take a power forward away from the basket (if he could do it) and would open up driving lanes for Rondo. It would also create some serious dynamism in terms of pick and roll, or double pick and roll plays, where the big man could screen out beyond the three point line.

Would you consider him a part of the Celtics' long term plans if he could improve his percentage from deep to that degree? Channing Frye presently shoots 40% from deep, and is 25th in the NBA in 3PFG%, by way of comparison. Kyle Korver is 1st at 47% (which is INSANE).

To what degree would he need to improve his 3P shooting to be a part of the C's plans (if you don't think he already should be)?

I disagree with your premise that he does not seem to be part of the team's long term plans.  He could be.

It is also impossible to tell if he is capable of hitting a 40% percentage. He does have a better shot at doing it then, say Kendrick Perkins. But the data is insufficient.  Most bigs that become 3 point shooters generally take a few years, since it is not part of their skill set when they go to the NBA.  His shooting form looks quite good, so that increases the chances he can become a real threat.

[Lucky17]

I don't want him becoming Raef Lafrentz. Yes, I'd love it if he shot a higher % from 3 point range but I don't want him being a perimeter only player.

Honestly, that may be Olynyk's ceiling. Which isn't bad.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lafrera01.html

13 and 8 in 30 minutes a night on 46%/38% shooting (his Denver numbers) isn't terrible.

[kozlodoev]

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Well yeah, and so is his height. But in the grand scheme of things, his wingspan is below par, and his vertical is god-awful.

[blink]

the last two years of his college career KO shot about 39% from 3.  Granted the sample size is pretty small, he does seem to have the potential to improve on his numbers from this year. 

While I am sure no one wants KO or Sully to park at the 3 point line, being a threat from 3 would really help loosen up def that pack the paint on us.

[footey]

the last two years of his college career KO shot about 39% from 3.  Granted the sample size is pretty small, he does seem to have the potential to improve on his numbers from this year. 

While I am sure no one wants KO or Sully to park at the 3 point line, being a threat from 3 would really help loosen up def that pack the paint on us.

Would also make it easier for Kelly to drive and create, which he is quite gifted at.

[hwangjini_1]

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Well yeah, and so is his height. But in the grand scheme of things, his wingspan is below par, and his vertical is god-awful.

both of your points are correct. but they do not change the basic facts about his standing reach being above average. he is now ranked #90 out of 420 nba players in terms of his rebounding per 36 minutes...tied with perkins, and barely ahead of milsap.  so, he is not a terrific rebounder, but he is not chopped liver either.

his lack of wingspan is due to narrow shoulders/small chest. and that is a different kettle of fish for olly.

the draw back with a narrow chest there is that he has limited ability to bulk up. this is a potential problem for olly since one thing he needs to do is build up his strength and muscles so that other bigs stop pushing him around under the basket. which now happens way too often for my liking.
 

[manl_lui]

if he was more consistent we'd have ourselves a Dirk 2.0

[kozlodoev]

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Well yeah, and so is his height. But in the grand scheme of things, his wingspan is below par, and his vertical is god-awful.

both of your points are correct. but they do not change the basic facts about his standing reach being above average. he is now ranked #90 out of 420 nba players in terms of his rebounding per 36 minutes...tied with perkins, and barely ahead of milsap.  so, he is not a terrific rebounder, but he is not chopped liver either.

his lack of wingspan is due to narrow shoulders/small chest. and that is a different kettle of fish for olly.

the draw back with a narrow chest there is that he has limited ability to bulk up. this is a potential problem for olly since one thing he needs to do is build up his strength and muscles so that other bigs stop pushing him around under the basket. which now happens way too often for my liking.

He's rebounded better than I expected, but a rebounding rate of ~14% won't be turning many heads. Still, at least he's not Brandon Bass.

Olynyk's problem will not be wingspan/athleticism or the fact that he won't be a real shot blocker. Many bigs who aren't do just fine, as long as they have some length so that they can generally challenge shots.

What's going to make or break Olynyk will be his awareness and mobility around the paint -- watching his help defense right now is like watching a duck trying to walk in molasses.

[PhoSita]

Most solid jumpshooters can manage that if they restrict their attempts to spot-up / catch and shoot opportunities.

I think Kelly will be in good shape as long as he can hit 35% or better.  It's not like he's limited to taking nothing but jumpshots.  His outside shot should be a complement to his game, not his mainstay.

[hwangjini_1]

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Well yeah, and so is his height. But in the grand scheme of things, his wingspan is below par, and his vertical is god-awful.

both of your points are correct. but they do not change the basic facts about his standing reach being above average. he is now ranked #90 out of 420 nba players in terms of his rebounding per 36 minutes...tied with perkins, and barely ahead of milsap.  so, he is not a terrific rebounder, but he is not chopped liver either.

his lack of wingspan is due to narrow shoulders/small chest. and that is a different kettle of fish for olly.

the draw back with a narrow chest there is that he has limited ability to bulk up. this is a potential problem for olly since one thing he needs to do is build up his strength and muscles so that other bigs stop pushing him around under the basket. which now happens way too often for my liking.

He's rebounded better than I expected, but a rebounding rate of ~14% won't be turning many heads. Still, at least he's not Brandon Bass.

Olynyk's problem will not be the fact that he won't be a real shot blocker. Many bigs who aren't do just fine, as long as they have some length so that they can generally challenge shots.

What's going to make or break Olynyk will be his awareness and mobility around the paint -- watching his help defense right now is like watching a duck trying to walk in molasses.

quack. not a bad analogy at all. 

your point on blocking shots is also a point to consider. olly will never be within barking distance of being a premier "rim protector". that simply is not his role, ever.

so, he is what he is for now. i have hopes he improves his skill set across the board and also hope that like so many rookie bigs, it takes 2-3 to really see what you have in them.

[clover]

As of right now, he seems like he is not prepared to be a part of the Celtics' long term plans. He lacks athleticism, and does not shoot weel enough away from the hoop.

I think the athleticism is unlikely to improve. He has short arms, and would need to develop a degree of lateral quickness that seems unreasonable, given the circumstances.

However - what if she shot 40% or better from beyond the three point line? That's a skill he could legitimately improve. It would take a power forward away from the basket (if he could do it) and would open up driving lanes for Rondo. It would also create some serious dynamism in terms of pick and roll, or double pick and roll plays, where the big man could screen out beyond the three point line.

Would you consider him a part of the Celtics' long term plans if he could improve his percentage from deep to that degree? Channing Frye presently shoots 40% from deep, and is 25th in the NBA in 3PFG%, by way of comparison. Kyle Korver is 1st at 47% (which is INSANE).

To what degree would he need to improve his 3P shooting to be a part of the C's plans (if you don't think he already should be)?

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Thank you.

[clover]

just to be accurate, olly's standing reach is above average for a pf in the nba.

Well yeah, and so is his height. But in the grand scheme of things, his wingspan is below par, and his vertical is god-awful.

both of your points are correct. but they do not change the basic facts about his standing reach being above average. he is now ranked #90 out of 420 nba players in terms of his rebounding per 36 minutes...tied with perkins, and barely ahead of milsap.  so, he is not a terrific rebounder, but he is not chopped liver either.

his lack of wingspan is due to narrow shoulders/small chest. and that is a different kettle of fish for olly.

the draw back with a narrow chest there is that he has limited ability to bulk up. this is a potential problem for olly since one thing he needs to do is build up his strength and muscles so that other bigs stop pushing him around under the basket. which now happens way too often for my liking.

He's rebounded better than I expected, but a rebounding rate of ~14% won't be turning many heads. Still, at least he's not Brandon Bass.

Olynyk's problem will not be wingspan/athleticism or the fact that he won't be a real shot blocker. Many bigs who aren't do just fine, as long as they have some length so that they can generally challenge shots.

What's going to make or break Olynyk will be his awareness and mobility around the paint -- watching his help defense right now is like watching a duck trying to walk in molasses.

Here's Tommy describing how much better KO's defense was last night than it has been all year--as if he finally gets and is able to incorporate the level of help D that is required:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/heinsohn-olynyk-unusual-rookie