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Similarities between Hayward and Green
« on: February 24, 2014, 12:10:22 AM »

Offline green147

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People criticize JG here a lot and meanwhile praise Gordon Hayward. The thing is, they're very similar players and their stats show just that. Both players are the leading scorers on bad teams (that hurts to say). JG nets 16.7 ppg and Hayward at 16 ppg. They are both their team's number one option, but neither should be. JG has a 41.3 fg% and Hayward shoots at 39.7%. In 3-pointers, JG shoots 35% and Hayward shoots 30%. They're only .5 difference in rebounds (advantage Hayward) and the big difference is Hayward gets 3 more assists per game, although I believe JG is a very underrated passer.

Essentially, both these players are second or third options on really good teams who have been forced by circumstances to be "the man" on their respective squads (perhaps purposefully by the C's and Jazz front offices). I understand Hayward is 4 years younger, but even one of the CEO's over at SLC Dunk (in the draft article by Jeff Clark) stated that Hayward isn't poised to be a star.

I'm really not trying to knock either guy. I'd be absolutely ECSTATIC if we could have Rondo, Hayward,  Green, Sully and a defensive center who can catch some alley-oops (say Embiid?) as our starting 5 next year. I just think sometimes the criticisms towards JG is unwarranted. This is a tough season for all C's fans, and it seems like a lot of people want a face to place the blame. Let's just hope DA can find that star player soon and hopefully C's fans will come to embrace the importance of having a highly-skilled second scoring option like JG.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 01:31:27 AM »

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If Hayward can step up to be no. 1 option for the first season of that team then I'd be very happy.

Agree about Green
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 03:46:46 AM »

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I'm not as big a Hayward fan as some and he's been a bit exposed this year, but he's still only 23, whereas Green is 27.

Green's probably a more valuable defender.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 05:04:14 AM »

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I think 4 years is a big difference.

I'm not as huge of a Hayward fan as probably a lot of posters are but I think he will be quite good in the future (4 years later) and a better player than Green.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 07:16:10 AM »

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Neither is really cut out to be the primary scorer for a team.

Hayward, however, can do a lot more when he's not scoring than Green does.  What does Green bring to the table if he's not scoring?

Given that, I'd prefer to have Hayward any day of the week, assuming similar cost.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 07:20:21 AM »

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Isn't Hayward more of a shooting guard?  Can he play the 3 well?
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 07:38:14 AM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on February 24, 2014, 07:16:10 AM
Neither is really cut out to be the primary scorer for a team.

Hayward, however, can do a lot more when he's not scoring than Green does.  What does Green bring to the table if he's not scoring?

Given that, I'd prefer to have Hayward any day of the week, assuming similar cost.

Hayward seems to be a more dynamic offensive player (although neither is breaking records in efficiency this year), but I'll take Green defensively, especially since the best players on the top teams are sfs. I guess we have to make the playoffs first before that matters, though.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 08:21:18 AM »

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I think that Hayward would thrive on the celtics. His numbers are down this year in efficiency because he does everything for his team. But the biggest difference between Green and Hayward is effort. Hayward brings it every game for the entire game. He always plays hard. Green goes off to la la land for stretches, sometimes for entire stretches of games. I would rather have a guy that scores 16 every game, than a guy that scores 9 one game and 22 the next. And like someone else said, Hayward is 4 years younger, and is already, in my opinion a better player regardless of Greens superior athleticism and talent. Effort makes a difference.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 08:24:12 AM »

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You're telling me Hayward be snoozing too?
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 08:52:50 AM »

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Hayward's motor runs non stop .   Green s motor sputters and his effort is not consistent though a game much less a season.

I like Green..a lot.......but I like Hayward game better..for the long haul especially .......he would be a Celtic for a long time .

Hayward has the passion that. Green lacks in his game.

Rather dump Bradley  , keep Green and hire Hayward .


Hayward has a lot more long term value.   Hayward will be around a long time ...he is the type of player who will be on a championship team at some point ,  somewhere .........Green is just a role player doing his job sporadic ..."...I actually think Bass is more consistent  of late.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 09:24:30 AM »

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Hayward seems to be a better player. I wouldn't worry too much about his decline in efficiency this season - he's normally a 35-40% 3 point shooter as opposed to 30% this season. He's simply being asked to be "the man" when he really should be a 3rd option.

He does a lot more than Green as others have mentioned. I think the assist difference is a big deal - he's definitely more of a playmaker.

I don't think Boston is looking at acquiring him as a 1st option. I think they're fishing for the big one (Love), and Hayward would be a nice complementary piece.


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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 11:20:34 AM »

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Hayward is a decent enough player but not worth the hype he gets on these boards. 

I see him like Green, 4th best player on a contender at best.  since the 2008 title run, the bar has been raised regarding the level of talent needed to contend in terms of at least the top 3 players on a team
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 11:27:00 AM »

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They are both starter-caliber non-stars.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 12:51:10 PM »

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Quote from: ChiefDK on February 24, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Hayward seems to be a better player. I wouldn't worry too much about his decline in efficiency this season - he's normally a 35-40% 3 point shooter as opposed to 30% this season. He's simply being asked to be "the man" when he really should be a 3rd option.

He does a lot more than Green as others have mentioned. I think the assist difference is a big deal - he's definitely more of a playmaker.

I don't think Boston is looking at acquiring him as a 1st option. I think they're fishing for the big one (Love), and Hayward would be a nice complementary piece.

Exactly this. TP.

I love Hayward's game as a complementary piece - he's a guy who has limitations, but seems to maximize what he can do. He plays hard and really seems to want to work on his game.  He's an underrated playmaker and he's an adequate defender - I actually think he gets a lot of flack for his defense. He's no vintage Avery Bradley, but he's also no Jamal Crawford.

He's not a #1 option as has been shown this season, but if he's your #3, you're in good shape. I'd love him in the backcourt next to Rajon.
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Re: Similarities between Hayward and Green
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 02:08:40 PM »

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Quote from: ChiefDK on February 24, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
Hayward seems to be a better player. I wouldn't worry too much about his decline in efficiency this season - he's normally a 35-40% 3 point shooter as opposed to 30% this season. He's simply being asked to be "the man" when he really should be a 3rd option.
That's funny, because this is exactly what the situation with Green is right now.
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