Big Baby being bought out

[CFAN38]

I always liked Davis, he isnt your typical NBA player and I think alot of people are uncomfortable with that. If the celtics where in a position to push for the playoffs and not so painfully deep at the 4 I would take him back. Hope he ends up contributing on a playoff team this year.

[Moranis]

He is a role player , bench backup and just won't face the fact

I m not a fan at all.

that is what he is paid though.  He is probably paid about right for his production and role.  He must really be bringing the locker room down or something.

[Fafnir]

He is a role player , bench backup and just won't face the fact

I m not a fan at all.

that is what he is paid though.  He is probably paid about right for his production and role.  He must really be bringing the locker room down or something.

Reports are he's an issue in the locker room, not a surprise as you heard similar things occasionally in Boston and Orlando is a tough place to play the last few years.

I don't think he's paid fairly though, too inefficient with sketchy shot selection and also sketchy defensive quickness for a weak rebounding big man.

[Moranis]

He is a role player , bench backup and just won't face the fact

I m not a fan at all.

that is what he is paid though.  He is probably paid about right for his production and role.  He must really be bringing the locker room down or something.

Reports are he's an issue in the locker room, not a surprise as you heard similar things occasionally in Boston and Orlando is a tough place to play the last few years.

I don't think he's paid fairly though, too inefficient with sketchy shot selection and also sketchy defensive quickness for a weak rebounding big man.

He is paid basically what Bass is and produces at about the same rate.  Bass is a better defender of course.  That is pretty much the going rate for the 12/6 type players of which Davis and Bass are.

[Fafnir]

He is a role player , bench backup and just won't face the fact

I m not a fan at all.

that is what he is paid though.  He is probably paid about right for his production and role.  He must really be bringing the locker room down or something.

Reports are he's an issue in the locker room, not a surprise as you heard similar things occasionally in Boston and Orlando is a tough place to play the last few years.

I don't think he's paid fairly though, too inefficient with sketchy shot selection and also sketchy defensive quickness for a weak rebounding big man.

He is paid basically what Bass is and produces at about the same rate.  Bass is a better defender of course.  That is pretty much the going rate for the 12/6 type players of which Davis and Bass are.

I don't view scoring at a .485 TS% and .546% as remotely the same rate of production. One requires a lot more shots to get his 12.

To put that in perspective the difference between Davis's and Bass's efficiency shooting is roughly the same as the difference between Bass and Dirk.

So do Bass and Dirk score at roughly the same efficiency?

[LilRip]

i remember not too long ago when bbd divided this board, lol

[kozlodoev]

I don't view scoring at a .485 TS% and .546% as remotely the same rate of production. One requires a lot more shots to get his 12.

To put that in perspective the difference between Davis's and Bass's efficiency shooting is roughly the same as the difference between Bass and Dirk.

So do Bass and Dirk score at roughly the same efficiency?

Point remains that they're roughly similar, and that there is no meaningful basketball reason to buy Davis out right now.

For what it's worth, here's what Wojo had to say when he reported the trade:

Magic officials want to start giving more playing time to their young corps of forwards, including Andrew Nicholson, and were concerned with how Davis would handle a diminished role.

[guava_wrench]

I don't view scoring at a .485 TS% and .546% as remotely the same rate of production. One requires a lot more shots to get his 12.

To put that in perspective the difference between Davis's and Bass's efficiency shooting is roughly the same as the difference between Bass and Dirk.

So do Bass and Dirk score at roughly the same efficiency?

Point remains that they're roughly similar, and that there is no meaningful basketball reason to buy Davis out right now.

For what it's worth, here's what Wojo had to say when he reported the trade:

Magic officials want to start giving more playing time to their young corps of forwards, including Andrew Nicholson, and were concerned with how Davis would handle a diminished role.

Lebron James and Phil Pressey are roughly similar. We should build around Pressey.

There is almost never a basketball reason to buy someone out. It is almost always about a roster spot, avoiding headaches, or saving money.

[Fafnir]

Bass/Davis are similar "type", undersized PFs who shoot jump shots. That's not the question however and never was, it was about whether Davis is paid roughly the normal rate for his production

Bass is somewhat overpaid, Davis is massively overpaid. If you're going to be a undersized PF who shoots jumpers its rather important if you can make those jumpers.

Davis is an overpaid big man who's someone who they don't think can handle sitting on the pine for younger players. That's a pretty compelling reason to buy him out.

He's producing negative value on the court, will produce negative value off the court if you sit him, and his salary is a sunk cost.

Other than stubbornness or aversion to paying a d-league replacement for the roster spot why not buy him out?

[Moranis]

Bass/Davis are similar "type", undersized PFs who shoot jump shots. That's not the question however and never was, it was about whether Davis is paid roughly the normal rate for his production

Bass is somewhat overpaid, Davis is massively overpaid. If you're going to be a undersized PF who shoots jumpers its rather important if you can make those jumpers.

Davis is an overpaid big man who's someone who they don't think can handle sitting on the pine for younger players. That's a pretty compelling reason to buy him out.

He's producing negative value on the court, will produce negative value off the court if you sit him, and his salary is a sunk cost.

Other than stubbornness or aversion to paying a d-league replacement for the roster spot why not buy him out?

because he is a 6.6 million expiring contract starting this summer.  because you have to pay him anyway and you might actually need him at some point (say Nicholson gets hurt tomorrow, then what).  because Orlando isn't going anywhere so anyway so there is no reason to make a move.  because if Davis really becomes a problem you can suspend him without pay. 

Should I continue?

[kozlodoev]

Lebron James and Phil Pressey are roughly similar. We should build around Pressey.

Yeah, except they're not, and Bass and Davis are.

[Interceptor]

Win/win. Orlando gets a roster spot, probably saves some money, and protects their locker room from knucklehead influence (which is reportedly a pretty important thing for them, FWIW). BBD gets to play for a team with a chance, and/or eat cheeseburgers.

We won that Bass/BBD trade so hard.

[Fafnir]

Should I continue?

No need to be condescending.

While an expiring contract has potential value, the value isn't very much compared to what it used to be. We've seen the value of expiring contracts plummet with the new CBA.

Compare that potential value to the savings on the buyout, the team will save money on the buyout players don't get the full dollar value, and add in his negative presence on and off the court and its not a crazy decision.

If they need a big man due to injury they can just bring in a d-league replacement.

Also suspending him without pay never happens essentially, teams do it with pay to avoid nasty union fights about it. Teams have almost always lost grievances over withholding pay.

[Fafnir]

We won that Bass/BBD trade so hard.

We did win it, but in the end both teams are looking to get rid of them only half way through their deals. So I wouldn't be thumping our fan chests too hard about it.

At least we got the guy who isn't so bad we're buying him out.

[slamtheking]

BBD's downfall was that he never put the effort into hitting the corner 3 because "Nobody puts Baby in the corner"   

think I just set the new low for cornball humor