Josh Smith on the block

[Mr October]

In my opinion, his trade value is negative due to his current contract. I don't get why some Celtics fans are so high on him. He's just another Rudy Gay.

People love guys who can dunk and block shots.

If josh smith kept his game around the basket he would be so much more valuable. But he cant stop himself from jacking jumpshots. And i dont think brad Stevens has enough clout to reign in smith's bad habits.

[moiso]

Love to buy low on  him. He has played out of position all year. Plenty still left in the tank.

Josh Smith could be our 2014 Ray Allen to attract our 2014 KG (Love, Melo,whoever)

Only play him at the 4 so our lineup stays unbalanced for the tank.

What would you do with your other 4's on the team...Hump, Sully, BB, KO??

Ship Sullinger out for Tyler Zeller, use Bass and Olynyk off the bench -- and Humphries will almost certainly have to go in the Smith deal for salary purposes. Problem solved.

Not only could I argue that Sully is well on his way to being a better player than Smith (on a rookie contract), but trading him for Tyler Zeller would be an awful trade. You can do better down the line if you just keep Sully

Well then keep him, I have no problem with that. But he's not going to be a better player than Josh Smith.

Depends on what your definition of better is.  I can see Sully contributing on a great team.  I can't say the same for Smith regardless of his talents.

[Evantime34]

I'm all for going after him in the offseason after we have made our high lottery pick and before we try to acquire other good free agents.

[kozlodoev]

Smith ...MR high dollar no return .....poor investment ......low motivation ....trigger happy shooter of threes ...

This "trigger happy shooter of threes" takes exactly as many threes per 36 minutes as Jared Sullinger this season.

And should I point out that Smith is shooting threes at twice his career rate this season, because the Pistons insist on playing him away from the basket on offense.

As for the "just another Rudy Gay" comment -- Smith makes 3/4 of what Gay does. Take this for what you will.

[BballTim]

In my opinion, his trade value is negative due to his current contract. I don't get why some Celtics fans are so high on him. He's just another Rudy Gay.

People love guys who can dunk and block shots.

If josh smith kept his game around the basket he would be so much more valuable. But he cant stop himself from jacking jumpshots. And i dont think brad Stevens has enough clout to reign in smith's bad habits.

  He's a good rebounder and defender and a good inside scorer. If you could cure him of those outside shots he'd probably be an all-star. That's a huge if though.

[chenaren]

Love to buy low on  him. He has played out of position all year. Plenty still left in the tank.

Josh Smith could be our 2014 Ray Allen to attract our 2014 KG (Love, Melo,whoever)

Only play him at the 4 so our lineup stays unbalanced for the tank.

What would you do with your other 4's on the team...Hump, Sully, BB, KO??

Ship Sullinger out for Tyler Zeller, use Bass and Olynyk off the bench -- and Humphries will almost certainly have to go in the Smith deal for salary purposes. Problem solved.

Not only could I argue that Sully is well on his way to being a better player than Smith (on a rookie contract), but trading him for Tyler Zeller would be an awful trade. You can do better down the line if you just keep Sully

Well then keep him, I have no problem with that. But he's not going to be a better player than Josh Smith.

Sullinger's per 36 min rebounding numbers in his rookie and sophomore seasons (10.7 and 10.9) are already better than Josh Smith's best rebounding season in his 9 years career (9.6). Moreover, Sullinger scored 17.4 points per 36 min in this sophomore season, while Smith's career average is 16.2.

I don't understand how one Celtics fan cannot see Sully has the potential to surpass Josh freaking Smith.

[kg is king]

In Smith's defense, he's more than a capable defender, especially on pick&roll situations. We're currently 8th in the league in terms of points allowed, not bad for a team that's playing for the lottery. Adding Smith would bolster our defense for sure. But I am not sure this is the direction Danny envisions for the team.

But I will admit I'd love to see Rondo play with J Smoove.
Entertainment factor will certainly be there.

[Mr October]

Love to buy low on  him. He has played out of position all year. Plenty still left in the tank.

Josh Smith could be our 2014 Ray Allen to attract our 2014 KG (Love, Melo,whoever)

Only play him at the 4 so our lineup stays unbalanced for the tank.

What would you do with your other 4's on the team...Hump, Sully, BB, KO??

Ship Sullinger out for Tyler Zeller, use Bass and Olynyk off the bench -- and Humphries will almost certainly have to go in the Smith deal for salary purposes. Problem solved.

Not only could I argue that Sully is well on his way to being a better player than Smith (on a rookie contract), but trading him for Tyler Zeller would be an awful trade. You can do better down the line if you just keep Sully

Well then keep him, I have no problem with that. But he's not going to be a better player than Josh Smith.

How do you know sully cant surpass josh smith? I consider david west to be a better player than smith during most of his career. And i think a david west ceiling is within reach for sullinger.

For as much good as josh smith does, he does so much to wreck a team's ability to win. The free throw bricks, the jump shot bricks, the mental goofs in the pressure moments on both ends of the floor. He is spectacularly good and spectacularly bad.

[McHales Pits]

I'd give up Wallace, Bass, and Clippers 1st for him

[kozlodoev]

Sullinger's per 36 min rebounding numbers in his rookie and sophomore seasons (10.7 and 10.9) are already better than Josh Smith's best rebounding season in his 9 years career (9.6). Moreover, Sullinger scored 17.4 points per 36 min this sophomore season, while Smith's career number is 16.2.

I don't understand how one Celtics fan cannot see Sully has the potential to surpass Josh freaking Smith.

Yes, let's completely ignore Smith's actual strengths in this comparison. Smith averages 1.5 steal and 2 blocks for his career. And when you toss in the fact that Sullinger comes with a chronic back condition, 30 unnecessary pounds, and all the makings of a liability in terms of help defense, the picture is not very rosy.

[esel1000]

I'd give up Wallace, Bass, and Clippers 1st for him

I'd do that too just to get rid of Wallace but I don't see the Pistons taking on the second coming of Villanueva's contract. I'm sure you could get Smith for Humps expiring though

[Mr October]

In my opinion, his trade value is negative due to his current contract. I don't get why some Celtics fans are so high on him. He's just another Rudy Gay.

People love guys who can dunk and block shots.

If josh smith kept his game around the basket he would be so much more valuable. But he cant stop himself from jacking jumpshots. And i dont think brad Stevens has enough clout to reign in smith's bad habits.

  He's a good rebounder and defender and a good inside scorer. If you could cure him of those outside shots he'd probably be an all-star. That's a huge if though.

He is such an "if" player. This is his 10th year in the nba and he is still an "if" player. I really do like his defense, speed, and creativity around the basket. If he stuck to the basket area he would indeed be awesome. But he doesn't. Why cant anyone get through to him?

Maybe he can finally get there if he were paired with experienced locker room leaders like a still all star Kevin Garnett and a coach like rivers, pop or Jackson.

[BballTim]

Sullinger's per 36 min rebounding numbers in his rookie and sophomore seasons (10.7 and 10.9) are already better than Josh Smith's best rebounding season in his 9 years career (9.6). Moreover, Sullinger scored 17.4 points per 36 min this sophomore season, while Smith's career number is 16.2.

I don't understand how one Celtics fan cannot see Sully has the potential to surpass Josh freaking Smith.

Yes, let's completely ignore Smith's actual strengths in this comparison. Smith averages 1.5 steal and 2 blocks for his career. And when you toss in the fact that Sullinger comes with a chronic back condition, 30 unnecessary pounds, and all the makings of a liability in terms of help defense, the picture is not very rosy.

  Who knows about the long term, but aside from defense (which generally improves with age) Sully can match Smith's production with those extra pounds. You'd have to think he could easily improve if he got into better shape, right?

[kozlodoev]

How do you know sully cant surpass josh smith? I consider david west to be a better player than smith during most of his career. And i think a david west ceiling is within reach for sullinger.

It is within reach. He just has to lose weight, stop taking bad shots, start taking good ones, and prove that his back condition will not be debilitating later in his career. This is all possible. Whether it's likely is a whole different discussion altogether.

It's hilarious, though, that people rant about Smith's shot selection when Sullinger has taken twice as many threes as he has taken 16+ foot jumpers, even though he shoots 26% from three and 48%(!) on long jumpers.

For as much good as josh smith does, he does so much to wreck a team's ability to win. The free throw bricks, the jump shot bricks, the mental goofs in the pressure moments on both ends of the floor. He is spectacularly good and spectacularly bad.

Here's a radical idea: don't give the ball to Josh Smith and ask him to make offensive plays for you when the game is on the line .

[ScoobyDoo]

While I'm into a huge Josh Smith fan, if you could land him and also get Asik?

Bass, Bogan and our 19th for Smith - Detroit clears cap, moves on, gets a good back and a first round pick.

Humphries and the Clippers' 2015 pick. Houston gets a big for their playoff run, can use Humphries' expiring to put another piece next to Howard and Harden and a first round pick they want.

Asik / Olynyk
Smith / Sullinger
Green / Wallace
Bradley / Chris Johnson
Rondo / Bayless / Pressey

Ourown 1st round pick this year: best available off guard? Or just best player period.

I'm not syaing I'd do this but that team gets into the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the ECF either.

That starting unit could be just epic defensively - and with Sully and Olynyk off the bench they should have no trouble scoring a lot of points as well.


Asik rebounding?
Bradley, Green and Smith on the break? Hello...