Rockets - Celtics Trade Rumor (weak source)

[Eddie20]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

[byennie]

Lin and Asik are vastly overpaid and not worth us trading for with the expense of Rondo.

They each have 1.5 years @ $12M remaining. That's not vastly overpaid for starter-quality players.

The deals *are* backloaded to the tune of an extra $15M combined next year out of the owner's pockets, but if you're making up for it with cash and other deals, it makes no strategic difference. For example in my deal there is $5M savings this year and $10M savings in 2 years to balance out Wyc's checkbook, with only positive cap implications.

[Birdman]

I want no part of Lin

[Gemini]

If I'm trading RR to Houston i would demand Parson, T Jones, Asik and 2014 1st. If not, I'm moving on.
If they want us to take Lin, they are taking back Bass.
If they agree to this im taking the deal.

I agree that you need both Parsons and Jones in the deal if you aren't getting a high pick back which you aren't... Seriously Rondo is a really valuable player, it would be an instant big 3 for the Rockets. I hope Rondo isn't traded but if you're going to trade him, get back as much as you can

Where does T Jones fit in the equation for the celts?? We already have Sullinger and KO

T Jones is an asset. It doesn't matter if/where he fits in to your plans. that being said he can play the three and even if its just at the 4 there would be plenty of room in the rotation to give him minutes.

[Gemini]

I want no part of Lin

Lin becomes a valuable trade chip with a 15M expiring deal next season

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I want no part of Lin

Lin becomes a valuable trade chip with a 15M expiring deal next season

How valuable is Hump right now? Not that valuable.

Lin's "expiring" deal is actually more like 8mil next year (even though he's being paid 15mil).

[BballTim]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

  Yes, because as far as you can tell the Jazz are *much* better now than they were when Deron was there.

[BballTim]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

Williams would not make Utah better. Utah did a good job trading him (injury prone), its just they haven't been able to capitalize afterwards.

Harden had to go bc OKC couldn't afford him.

Regardless if these had no choice, lots of teams were interested in both. None were willing to give up a top player in return though.  you are not going to get Harden back for Rondo and i think thats what you want

  Yes, no team was willing to give equal  value for those players and their teams were forced to trade them anyways. That's a reason not to trade Rondo, not to trade him for 50 cents on a dollar because you can't get more than that if you trade him.

[MBunge]

The Rockets are a terrible trade partner... I feel like a trade involving Rondo would only be worth it if you at least got Parsons and on top of that high first rounders, which the Rockets  don't have... any other trades would be a joke, and the idea that Morey wouldn't include Parsons in a deal for Rondo is a sad. Unless something really changes here like a 3rd team gets involved I'll bet this goes nowhere. DA is not a stupid man

Rondo + Green for Asik,Lin, Parsons, 2014 1st , 2016 1st  works for me. I hope it happens

There is zero reason to trade Rondo unless Wallace is somehow also leaving town.  Without Rondo, Boston MUST have maximum cap space.  That is not possible with Wallace still on the team.

Mike

[TheFlex]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

  Yes, because as far as you can tell the Jazz are *much* better now than they were when Deron was there.

How short sighted of you. Utah tried time and time again to win with Deron and couldn't. Even worse he turned out to be a coach killer, at least in the only circumstances that mattered to management (in Utah with Sloan). They traded him and in a matter of less than five years are poised to turn the corner and become stronger than before. Look at Deron now. If you're the Jazz, do you do that deal again? Yes x1000000

[LooseCannon]

The Rockets are a terrible trade partner... I feel like a trade involving Rondo would only be worth it if you at least got Parsons and on top of that high first rounders, which the Rockets  don't have... any other trades would be a joke, and the idea that Morey wouldn't include Parsons in a deal for Rondo is a sad. Unless something really changes here like a 3rd team gets involved I'll bet this goes nowhere. DA is not a stupid man

Rondo + Green for Asik,Lin, Parsons, 2014 1st , 2016 1st  works for me. I hope it happens

There is zero reason to trade Rondo unless Wallace is somehow also leaving town.  Without Rondo, Boston MUST have maximum cap space.  That is not possible with Wallace still on the team.

If you trade Rondo, you're committing to the Celtics probably not being contenders and likely not being a playoff team until after Wallace's contract expires.  At that point, Ainge should be willing to trade Humphries, Bass, and Bogans to the Knicks for Amare and whatever assets New York has left.

[BballTim]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

  Yes, because as far as you can tell the Jazz are *much* better now than they were when Deron was there.

How short sighted of you. Utah tried time and time again to win with Deron and couldn't. Even worse he turned out to be a coach killer, at least in the only circumstances that mattered to management (in Utah with Sloan). They traded him and in a matter of less than five years are poised to turn the corner and become stronger than before. Look at Deron now. If you're the Jazz, do you do that deal again? Yes x1000000

  They traded Deron because he was a coach killer, not because they couldn't win with him. 5 straight playoff trips, 2 conference semis and 1 conference finals. They look to be poised to turn the corner, same as the Cavs or the Bucks or the Kings. Let me know when they have as much success as they did with Deron. I won't wait up.

[TheFlex]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

  Yes, because as far as you can tell the Jazz are *much* better now than they were when Deron was there.

How short sighted of you. Utah tried time and time again to win with Deron and couldn't. Even worse he turned out to be a coach killer, at least in the only circumstances that mattered to management (in Utah with Sloan). They traded him and in a matter of less than five years are poised to turn the corner and become stronger than before. Look at Deron now. If you're the Jazz, do you do that deal again? Yes x1000000

  They traded Deron because he was a coach killer, not because they couldn't win with him. 5 straight playoff trips, 2 conference semis and 1 conference finals. They look to be poised to turn the corner, same as the Cavs or the Bucks or the Kings. Let me know when they have as much success as they did with Deron. I won't wait up.

Zero Finals appearances, never mind any rings.

Not great comparisons - SAC, CLE and Milwaukee have been mediocre for years. It's been almost a decade since SAC had a team worth talking about, Cleveland's muffed three top five picks since LBJ left them for nothing and it was a big deal when Milwaukee had a semi good team a few years back. Utah is arguably further along in their rebuilding process than any of the teams you mentioned, and in less time too. Rebuilding is not for the weak, but I believe Danny can execute well. That's really what this tank/win now argument is about.

[Tr1boy]

Asik, Lin, Jones, Smith or Beverly, 2014 1st

for

Rondo, Bass, Pressey (since he would likely be waived anyway)


I think this is a reasonable trade.  Not a homerun, but certainly solid value even without Parsons.

  If we're getting back someone who's likely to be a top level player then it's a reasonable trade. Who are we getting that fits the bill?

Why would a team trade for Rondo and give the celts a top level player back in return??

When have you ever seen that happen in basketball?

Guys like Williams, Harden were traded for picks and prospects.  What makes Rondo so much better then them, that we deserve to get back alot more?

   What's the motivation for trading Rondo, aside from your wanting him off the roster? Do we just want to make the team worse? Both of those teams would have been better if they'd kept the stars they traded away. They were pretty much forced to make the trades they did. We don't have to.

The Thunder lost the deal because they traded a very young player (Harden was around 22), but I think you need to examine the Jazz/Brooklyn trade more closely. The Jazz acquired Harris, Favors, 2011 1st rd pick (#3), and the 2013 1st rd pick (#21). With the 3rd pick the Jazz selected Kanter and the other pick was later traded away to Minny. However, the point is that the Jazz would not have been better with Williams (27 at the time of the deal), and we could only pray we could get that type of return for Rondo (who turns 28 in a couple of days).

  Yes, because as far as you can tell the Jazz are *much* better now than they were when Deron was there.

How short sighted of you. Utah tried time and time again to win with Deron and couldn't. Even worse he turned out to be a coach killer, at least in the only circumstances that mattered to management (in Utah with Sloan). They traded him and in a matter of less than five years are poised to turn the corner and become stronger than before. Look at Deron now. If you're the Jazz, do you do that deal again? Yes x1000000

  They traded Deron because he was a coach killer, not because they couldn't win with him. 5 straight playoff trips, 2 conference semis and 1 conference finals. They look to be poised to turn the corner, same as the Cavs or the Bucks or the Kings. Let me know when they have as much success as they did with Deron. I won't wait up.

Tim can you give me your plan as to when we will be good again?

I assume you want to give Rondo the max after next season. Then what? We are not likely get a high draft pick, its 50-50 FA will want to come over to play for us. So what is your plan for us to get better?

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