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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 09:42:11 AM »

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I'm guessing that if we were trading Bass for Barnes and Speights, we'd probably have to give them back the pick we got from them in the Crawford deal.

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 09:48:53 AM »

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Bradley for Harrison Barnes?

Good Lord, where do I sign up for that?
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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2014, 10:08:21 AM »

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Honestly don't know if I'd give up Bradley for Barnes.  Especially if we get a top 5 pick.  Barnes hasn't really done much.

Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 10:14:40 AM »

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USA Today article that Hoopshype cites:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/warriors/2014/02/11/golden-state-warriors-nba/5406257/

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As for the possibility of a bigger deal being done before the deadline, rival executives told USA TODAY Sports last week that anyone outside of point guard Stephen Curry and center Andrew Bogut is, to varying degrees, up for discussion. That includes second-year small forward Harrison Barnes, the Warriors reserve who is known to have sparked serious interest from a long list of suitors but who is unlikely to be traded unless it was part of a package for a big-name player. Even with Barnes' struggles (he shot 33.7% from the field in January while averaging 6.9 points per game), he still has no shortage of fans within the organization.

Reading that doesn't make me think Barnes is really all that "available." Certainly not for Bass.
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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2014, 10:46:08 AM »

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I'm probably the only who would say I would not try to trade for Harrison Barnes, not until he learns to dribble at least.

I understand all the potential talk about him last year, but he's  regressing and he's looking like he's going to be just another complimentary player. Barnes fed off Klay Thompson and Steph Curry during the playoffs, but on his own he had a hard time.

His handles are mediocre, making it difficult for him to get the rim despite his athleticism. His shooting form is great, but his shooting is inconsistent. He lacks confidence and when it's shot, you're in for longer stretches of bad games that will include bad defense. He doesnt have a good BBIQ, often passing on open shots for pump fakes, bad court vision and can't dictate mismatches (he had A LOT). I won't pay a first rounder for a player like that, no matter how young.

He had the floor to be the Dubs' 6th man in that bad second unit, and he's one of the reasons it was bad. He should have been THE MAN in that bench mob, getting all the plays and be the reliable scorer but he did not.

Outside of being a better rebounder, Jeff Green is better than Barnes, and may end up being better after their careers. He may play well with Rondo, who knows? Rondo can set him up for easy shots better than Curry I guess. But don't ask for Barnes to be ago to guy on offense, he just isn't that guy.

I'd certainly would not want to pay a high price for HB. And if we are, let's hope that Brad Stevens can fix his dribbling and confidence, because we're going to have a ton of head scratching moments.
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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2014, 10:49:30 AM »

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I haven't followed Barnes closely, but what I see is that despite being a highly touted prospect, he's shown next to no improvement this season despite being given a substantial role in GS's rotation. Why would we give up Jeff Green for a player that we hope may develop into Jeff Green down the road?!
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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 10:52:05 AM »

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I haven't followed Barnes closely, but what I see is that despite being a highly touted prospect, he's shown next to no improvement this season despite being given a substantial role in GS's rotation. Why would we give up Jeff Green for a player that we hope may develop into Jeff Green down the road?!

Not to mention a first round pick.

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2014, 10:53:42 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2014, 10:59:49 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

They can offer anyone not named Rondo, Green or Sullinger. I think Barnes can turn into a quintessential NBA 3 and D. Like Kozlo said, Barnes may end up turning into Jeff Green anyway or could get worse, so "why offer Jeff Green"? Anyone but those three.

But no first round picks. Harrison Barnes is not going to be the next big thing like a lot said a year ago, just not. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2014, 11:04:53 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

They can offer anyone not named Rondo, Green or Sullinger. I think Barnes can turn into a quintessential NBA 3 and D. Like Kozlo said, Barnes may end up turning into Jeff Green anyway or could get worse, so "why offer Jeff Green"? Anyone but those three.

But no first round picks. Harrison Barnes is not going to be the next big thing like a lot said a year ago, just not.


Green can go in a deal for Barnes.  There is enough upside and at this point, not a real large enough difference in level of play that says it is better to pay Green that big contract vs. Barnes on a rookie deal. 


Plus, Barnes looks to be more effective when he is starting and getting starters minutes vs. coming off the bench behind AI2. 




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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2014, 11:07:41 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

They can offer anyone not named Rondo, Green or Sullinger. I think Barnes can turn into a quintessential NBA 3 and D. Like Kozlo said, Barnes may end up turning into Jeff Green anyway or could get worse, so "why offer Jeff Green"? Anyone but those three.

But no first round picks. Harrison Barnes is not going to be the next big thing like a lot said a year ago, just not.


Green can go in a deal for Barnes.  There is enough upside and at this point, not a real large enough difference in level of play that says it is better to pay Green that big contract vs. Barnes on a rookie deal. 


Plus, Barnes looks to be more effective when he is starting and getting starters minutes vs. coming off the bench behind AI2.

Fair point on Green, but not on the starting spot. He started with the #FullSquad when Iggy was hurt and even then he was disappointing.

It could be two things, we can blame the coaching, Mark Jackson hasnt been great with Barnes or HB just showed no improvement. Barnes could be good off the ball, I wouldnt trust him to create for his own. If that's what we are going to expect him to be, a shot creator, we're asking for trouble.
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2014, 11:11:32 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

They can offer anyone not named Rondo, Green or Sullinger. I think Barnes can turn into a quintessential NBA 3 and D. Like Kozlo said, Barnes may end up turning into Jeff Green anyway or could get worse, so "why offer Jeff Green"? Anyone but those three.

But no first round picks. Harrison Barnes is not going to be the next big thing like a lot said a year ago, just not.


Green can go in a deal for Barnes.  There is enough upside and at this point, not a real large enough difference in level of play that says it is better to pay Green that big contract vs. Barnes on a rookie deal. 


Plus, Barnes looks to be more effective when he is starting and getting starters minutes vs. coming off the bench behind AI2.

Fair point on Green, but not on the starting spot. He started with the #FullSquad when Iggy was hurt and even then he was disappointing.

It could be two things, we can blame the coaching, Mark Jackson hasnt been great with Barnes or HB just showed no improvement. Barnes could be good off the ball, I wouldnt trust him to create for his own. If that's what we are going to expect him to be, a shot creator, we're asking for trouble.


That's the great thing about trading for a 2nd year guy like this.  There is less pressure because the Celtics didn't use a high draft pick on him. 


He doesn't need to be a star.  Just a SF that can fit into Rondo's strengths. 

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2014, 11:16:39 AM »

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if we could swap green with barnes i'd do it. i'd like to see the possibility or lack of "potential" barnes may develop than watching the frustrating on and off play of uncle snooze. i'll take a gamble with barnes if given a choice.

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2014, 11:19:15 AM »

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Celtics should be offering Green.

They can offer anyone not named Rondo, Green or Sullinger. I think Barnes can turn into a quintessential NBA 3 and D. Like Kozlo said, Barnes may end up turning into Jeff Green anyway or could get worse, so "why offer Jeff Green"? Anyone but those three.

But no first round picks. Harrison Barnes is not going to be the next big thing like a lot said a year ago, just not.


Green can go in a deal for Barnes.  There is enough upside and at this point, not a real large enough difference in level of play that says it is better to pay Green that big contract vs. Barnes on a rookie deal. 


Plus, Barnes looks to be more effective when he is starting and getting starters minutes vs. coming off the bench behind AI2.

Fair point on Green, but not on the starting spot. He started with the #FullSquad when Iggy was hurt and even then he was disappointing.

It could be two things, we can blame the coaching, Mark Jackson hasnt been great with Barnes or HB just showed no improvement. Barnes could be good off the ball, I wouldnt trust him to create for his own. If that's what we are going to expect him to be, a shot creator, we're asking for trouble.


That's the great thing about trading for a 2nd year guy like this.  There is less pressure because the Celtics didn't use a high draft pick on him. 


He doesn't need to be a star.  Just a SF that can fit into Rondo's strengths.

Will agree again to your point.

I think the only bad idea is giving a first, but a player for player swap should be fair.
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Re: Harrison Barnes available
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2014, 11:22:14 AM »

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This rumor has been floating around for at least a few days.  It's no secret that he's been struggling and that some followers of the Warriors, who are also struggling, think Barnes shouldn't be seeing anywhere as many minutes as he is.  He's been given more than a fair chance to shine averaging 29+ mpg for which he's delivered a PER of 10.3.