DA has a tough job

[Ogaju]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

Kelly Olynyk is the next overrated player on the Celtics - I see a lot said about his potential because of his BB IQ, but BB IQ means little on the court if you do not have the confidence or athleticism to implement the plays. He may make a great coach, but his potential is not as good as most here would like to believe.

Jeff Green -- overrated and a big tease. The Cs keep holding out for him to breakout, but the rest of the league as seen enough. He should be traded for a first round draft pick.

Sully -- very interesting player, has all the skills and the tools, but looks like he may always have issues with weight and the big question is will the back hold up.

Tough roster for the GM to manage.

[cb8883]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

Kelly Olynyk is the next overrated player on the Celtics - I see a lot said about his potential because of his BB IQ, but BB IQ means little on the court if you do not have the confidence or athleticism to implement the plays. He may make a great coach, but his potential is not as good as most here would like to believe.

Jeff Green -- overrated and a big tease. The Cs keep holding out for him to breakout, but the rest of the league as seen enough. He should be traded for a first round draft pick.

Sully -- very interesting player, has all the skills and the tools, but looks like he may always have issues with weight and the big question is will the back hold up.

Tough roster for the GM to manage.

This roster is not good. Rondo is extremely overrated and is on the Josh Smith level of star. Someone is going to pay him a max deal and be really really sorry. Green overcame his heart condition which in itself is a huge win. Very good story but extremely inconsistent and invisible at times. I do like Sully and feel he's the best player on the roster. I think he would slot in at the 15th pick in this years draft. Give or take a few spots. If you are offered a top 10 pick for anyone on this roster they need to take it and run. Loads of potential available in the draft.

[Tr1boy]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

Kelly Olynyk is the next overrated player on the Celtics - I see a lot said about his potential because of his BB IQ, but BB IQ means little on the court if you do not have the confidence or athleticism to implement the plays. He may make a great coach, but his potential is not as good as most here would like to believe.

Jeff Green -- overrated and a big tease. The Cs keep holding out for him to breakout, but the rest of the league as seen enough. He should be traded for a first round draft pick.

Sully -- very interesting player, has all the skills and the tools, but looks like he may always have issues with weight and the big question is will the back hold up.

Tough roster for the GM to manage.

Disagree with your points about KO and SUlly. JS weight is one of the reasons why he is able to play like a beast down low

KO lacks above avg athleticism, quickness and wingspan but also is 7ft tall, has above avg iq, passing skills, shooting (a little streaky right now) and motor. He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

[Afam]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

Kelly Olynyk is the next overrated player on the Celtics - I see a lot said about his potential because of his BB IQ, but BB IQ means little on the court if you do not have the confidence or athleticism to implement the plays. He may make a great coach, but his potential is not as good as most here would like to believe.

Jeff Green -- overrated and a big tease. The Cs keep holding out for him to breakout, but the rest of the league as seen enough. He should be traded for a first round draft pick.

Sully -- very interesting player, has all the skills and the tools, but looks like he may always have issues with weight and the big question is will the back hold up.

Tough roster for the GM to manage.

Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. I also would add Bradley to that list. As one of his supporters when he was drafted, i feel like a lot of people are overrating him now. Someone even going so far to label him untouchable. It wasn't too long ago that I was saying that a Bradley has greet potential to be a good player while some people were labeling him a bust. Funny how things change. To be no one is untouchable and can be had at the right price. Be it at equal value or close to it.

Lastly I'm also in agreement with you that Ainge might be asking for huge return for our players. My fair is because of that, he might not  be able to pull of any trades during the trade deadline.

[indeedproceed]

He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

If you made Olynyk a full time stretch 4, you better have a legitimately elite defensive anchor at the 5, because against any one of the 4's in the league who can put the ball on the floor (about 85% of them, this is the NBA), he'll be a runway to the basket.

[LilRip]

I haven't been a KO supporter but I think he'll be a great first big off the bench. I'm also pretty happy with Sullinger. If he can stay healthy, he's a keeper. Rebounding is a skill and he's definitely got it.

[clover]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

Kelly Olynyk is the next overrated player on the Celtics - I see a lot said about his potential because of his BB IQ, but BB IQ means little on the court if you do not have the confidence or athleticism to implement the plays. He may make a great coach, but his potential is not as good as most here would like to believe.

Jeff Green -- overrated and a big tease. The Cs keep holding out for him to breakout, but the rest of the league as seen enough. He should be traded for a first round draft pick.

Sully -- very interesting player, has all the skills and the tools, but looks like he may always have issues with weight and the big question is will the back hold up.

Tough roster for the GM to manage.

Disagree with your points about KO and SUlly. JS weight is one of the reasons why he is able to play like a beast down low

KO lacks above avg athleticism, quickness and wingspan but also is 7ft tall, has above avg iq, passing skills, shooting (a little streaky right now) and motor. He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

I also disagree re: Green. He's not Durant, but he's a decent player who has value--and interest around the league.

[azzenfrost]

DA does have a tough job. It's a good thing he's not required to read all of our threads here. Then he can focus on being a decent GM, better than who most of the other teams have.

[hwangjini_1]

DA does have a tough job. It's a good thing he's not required to read all of our threads here. Then he can focus on being a decent GM, better than who most of the other teams have.

maybe. but what if danny actually reads cb each and every day and takes our wonderful and insightful advice?? maybe that is why he makes such great moves and is a way above average GM.   

[GreenWarrior]

i'm glad danny is running this team...

[BballTim]

I say this because he has players that pass the smell test and are not as good in reality. This makes DA either not want to trade these players or put an unrealistic price on them when he does.

Who are these players?

Rondo for starters - he is a very good player but not as elite as some think. Rondo is a good player that has not proved to be a franchise player, but Boston/DA think he is worthy of a franchise player in trade return.

  Obviously the team has many fans who underrate Rondo, I don't see why that would make Danny's job any harder. It's not like opposing GMs check out the prevailing opinions on celticsblog before they decide who to trade for or how much to offer that player. It's true he and Doc did make a few comments to the press about how off base many of the criticisms of Rondo were but in general it has little to no effect on his day to day activities.

[CelticG1]

He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

If you made Olynyk a full time stretch 4, you better have a legitimately elite defensive anchor at the 5, because against any one of the 4's in the league who can put the ball on the floor (about 85% of them, this is the NBA), he'll be a runway to the basket.

Whenever someone talks about a player being a stretch 4 isnt it primarily on the offensive end?

I dont see any correlation between the 2.

KOs defense has nothing to do with whether he is standing on the 3 point lime or playing in the post

[indeedproceed]

He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

If you made Olynyk a full time stretch 4, you better have a legitimately elite defensive anchor at the 5, because against any one of the 4's in the league who can put the ball on the floor (about 85% of them, this is the NBA), he'll be a runway to the basket.

Whenever someone talks about a player being a stretch 4 isnt it primarily on the offensive end?

I dont see any correlation between the 2.

KOs defense has nothing to do with whether he is standing on the 3 point lime or playing in the post

A 'stretch 4' implies that there is a 5 of some sort. Other wise, it'd be a 'stretch 5'. The point is, KO can't guard 4's, so whoever else was in the lineup would need to do that. He can't really guard 5's either, but I'm optimistic with some toughening up and some strength he could get there. I'm mentally comparing him to Mehmet Okur as a upside. That might sound like a knock, but its not.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=olynyke01&y1=2014&p2=okurme01&y2=2003

Look how similar those numbers are.

But now, look how Okur grew: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okurme01.html

In 2007 Okur was going for 17 and 7 in 33 minutes, shooting 38% from 3, and playing sound if aesthetically ugly defense. He was particularly good in pick and pop situations and spreading the floor from a set shot. That's the top of the block for Olynyk in my mind.

[GreenWarrior]

if olynyk becomes okur i'm ecstatic about that.

[BballTim]

He is a stretch PF in the nba and with 10-15 pounds of strength will be able to box out on the defensive end easier to grab rebounds he is expected to grab. He won't ever be a rim protector, but still can give you a good performance on both ends of the court to help you win.

If you made Olynyk a full time stretch 4, you better have a legitimately elite defensive anchor at the 5, because against any one of the 4's in the league who can put the ball on the floor (about 85% of them, this is the NBA), he'll be a runway to the basket.

Whenever someone talks about a player being a stretch 4 isnt it primarily on the offensive end?

I dont see any correlation between the 2.

KOs defense has nothing to do with whether he is standing on the 3 point lime or playing in the post

A 'stretch 4' implies that there is a 5 of some sort. Other wise, it'd be a 'stretch 5'. The point is, KO can't guard 4's, so whoever else was in the lineup would need to do that. He can't really guard 5's either, but I'm optimistic with some toughening up and some strength he could get there. I'm mentally comparing him to Mehmet Okur as a upside. That might sound like a knock, but its not.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=olynyke01&y1=2014&p2=okurme01&y2=2003

Look how similar those numbers are.

But now, look how Okur grew: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/okurme01.html

In 2007 Okur was going for 17 and 7 in 33 minutes, shooting 38% from 3, and playing sound if aesthetically ugly defense. He was particularly good in pick and pop situations and spreading the floor from a set shot. That's the top of the block for Olynyk in my mind.

  Okur was generally a center, wasn't he?