Stevens trying to help Green get out of his slump

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That was kinda cool.... fixed, coaching, fluke or how do you explain that.   And we won!  Defensive Center and bigger scoring SG and we could squeak into the playoffs and steal a game or two.   Lebron bolts to the clippers and we are right behind Indiana in the east! 

So, basically, Stevens comes out and acknowledges something that several of us on this board have pointed out (that this offense so far has not really used Green optimally) - something that is well supported by lots of data that should be statistically significant now to his assistant, Mr. Cameron -- and the net response on this board is, naturally, to dismiss Stevens as 'taking a Bullet' for Green and once again, pile on with the typical "Green isn't aggressive enough" and "Green is who he is" stuff..

Gee - I suppose it's just not cynical enough for us to take Brad at his word.  I mean, it wouldn't make sense at all for him to start to make changes in his offense now that he (a) has a half-season's worth of data (on what DOESN'T work for an NBA offense, i might add) and (b) he finally will have a real NBA point guard going forward?

Well, it will be interesting to see if they really do change things.

I wouldnt expect everything to look different all at once though.   'Probably need to look at things again after another dozen games or so.  Rondo will probably have some up and down streaks himself.  And the trading deadline looms as a big game-changer that could make all this moot.

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Next year of course!   One can hope!

[Roy H.]

  Can that Stevens guy coach or what?

Until next game, when Green has 11 points on 4-of-12 shooting with 2 rebounds.   

[BballTim]

  Can that Stevens guy coach or what?

Until next game, when Green has 11 points on 4-of-12 shooting with 2 rebounds.   

  C'mon, Roy, he's got to coach the other guys too. He can only spend so much time on Green.

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Actually fell asleep watching the 76ers game (darn show shoveling!).

Looked like Rondo was feeding Green where he needs it, aka doing the Rondo thing.

Can Rondo make Green a 20pt guy like TOmmy suggests (getting an extra 6pts/gm)?

[pearljammer10]

At some point, you just have to acknowledge (internally, not publicly) that a player just can't be relied on.  You don't restructure your entire system around a player as mediocre as Jeff Green.  Green needs to be accountable for moving without the ball and getting himself into position, rather than the blame falling on the coaching staff.

Stevens of course knows that.  It's good he's taking a bullet for his player.  I just hope Green doesn't buy that nonsense.  He needs to look into the mirror and step up, but I don't think he's capable.

Just out of curiosity Roy, what were your expectations of Green heading into this season?

Pretty much exactly where he is.  15 or so points, 5 or so rebounds.  His shooting efficiency is a little lower than I would have thought.  His demeanor / aggressiveness is pretty much spot on with where I had it pegged.

I'm not one of the fans that ever thought Green would be a superstar.  The decent (but not great) scoring and poor rebounding are always going to be constants.  His defense and outside shooting fluctuate a little more, and those are the two places that determine whether he's a useful starter or a spare part.

While I agree that Green needs to be held accountable for moving on offense and being more assertive, I disagree that the blame can fall solely on his shoulders.

I've been a big Green supporter and I've made my point in other threads that he is a third option on a contending/playoff team and that's what the numbers he has now shows. He can be efficient in that role and he is playing out of that role.

This is where I put some accountability on the coaching staff. Yes Green needs to be more assertive but if the coaching staff wants him as the number one scoring option on this team they have to run more plays to get him the ball and get him more shots. 13 shots for a "number one" option really isn't all that many shots. So even though Green is not as assertive as we would like, I think the coaching staff needs to resurrect their game plan in order to make him more assertive, especially if they believe he should be that number one option, regardless of how good we think he is or isn't.

[kozlodoev]

  Can that Stevens guy coach or what?

Until next game, when Green has 11 points on 4-of-12 shooting with 2 rebounds.   

No way, he's absolutely expected to be 9-12 on three pointers every game.

[vjcsmoke]

Well I've got to give Stevens credit.  When he talks he doesn't just talk, he makes changes.  They really got Green involved and he went off for 36 points.  Nice!

[mmmmm]

  Can that Stevens guy coach or what?

Until next game, when Green has 11 points on 4-of-12 shooting with 2 rebounds.   

No way, he's absolutely expected to be 9-12 on three pointers every game.

Exactly.  Any thing less would be a huge pathetic disappointment.

[Phil125]

Well I've got to give Stevens credit.  When he talks he doesn't just talk, he makes changes.  They really got Green involved and he went off for 36 points.  Nice!

But why do we have to work so hard to get a guy with Green's talent involved?  Green should be a 20-22 ppg no problem, but he seems to just not want to do it everyday.

[pearljammer10]

Well I've got to give Stevens credit.  When he talks he doesn't just talk, he makes changes.  They really got Green involved and he went off for 36 points.  Nice!

But why do we have to work so hard to get a guy with Green's talent involved?  Green should be a 20-22 ppg no problem, but he seems to just not want to do it everyday.

Somewhat agree, but to flip flop and play devil's advocate. If Green isn't being assertive on his own, why wouldn't Stevens be running more plays to get the ball in Greens hands to take more shots?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Mission accomplished?

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Well I've got to give Stevens credit.  When he talks he doesn't just talk, he makes changes.  They really got Green involved and he went off for 36 points.  Nice!

But why do we have to work so hard to get a guy with Green's talent involved?  Green should be a 20-22 ppg no problem, but he seems to just not want to do it everyday.

not comparing them first and foremost
but if you look at how pierce would react to missing shots compared to green
green missing shots he becomes tentative, paul would shoot
yes jeff is inconsistent but everyone on this team is
green is averaging 13 shots a game i think?

what is he averaging when he takes 15 shots or more a game? 24.6 points a game if i did that correctly 

[Roy H.]

what is he averaging when he takes 15 shots or more a game? 24.6 points a game if i did that correctly 

I had it at 21.7 points per game, on 17.6 shots per game.

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what is he averaging when he takes 15 shots or more a game? 24.6 points a game if i did that correctly 

I had it at 21.7 points per game, on 17.6 shots per game.

My guess is you two are doing two different things.  One is looking at Green's scoring average in games that he took more shots.   The other is projecting how many points he would average if he took more shots, based on the same points per shot rate.