Forsberg on Green

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Quick -- trade Green before he can play another game!

[kozlodoev]

When have the Celtics actually asked Green to be a "#1 scorer"?

When they built a roster on which he's the best scorer.

[pokeKingCurtis]

When have the Celtics actually asked Green to be a "#1 scorer"?

When they built a roster on which he's the best scorer.

Built?

[Jailan34]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

[BballTim]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

[Jailan34]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

[Snakehead]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

hahah okay dude.

Do some research.  Portland is maybe the best offensive team in the league and would you care to guess how much their third leading scorer averages?  Here's a hint: it's exactly what Jeff averages.

[Jailan34]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

hahah okay dude.

Do some research.  Portland is maybe the best offensive team in the league and would you care to guess how much their third leading scorer averages?  Here's a hint: it's exactly what Jeff averages.

Wesley Matthews is a better shooter and play maker earning 3 million less per year than green. Green is the #1 option on a garbage team and has been inconsistent all year and has shown plenty of games where he put forth little to no effort.

[BballTim]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

  I didn't say he was a 3rd option. Just that people throw that term around like it's nothing. You're saying he can't be the 3rd best scorer on a title team because he's an inconsistent scorer and he's no Bosh or Ray or Manu. Look at other recent title teams, the 3rd leading scorers in the playoffs have been players like an aging Marion, or Artest, or Odom, or even our old friend Antione. Many of them were around 12 ppg. If you think those players were all more consistent scorers than Green then I'd disagree.

[BballTim]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

hahah okay dude.

Do some research.  Portland is maybe the best offensive team in the league and would you care to guess how much their third leading scorer averages?  Here's a hint: it's exactly what Jeff averages.

Wesley Matthews is a better shooter and play maker earning 3 million less per year than green. Green is the #1 option on a garbage team and has been inconsistent all year and has shown plenty of games where he put forth little to no effort.

  Green's not the #1 option on the team, Bradley and Sully both shoot more and have higher usage rates than Green.

[Jailan34]

I believe I've been one of the last guys driving the Jeff Green bandwagon, but I'm leaning towards pulling over to the side of the road.

It's not a knock on Jeff and I'm not "trade him for anything", but Jeff is being asked to do something he simply is not and that's a #1 scorer. He just doesn't fit with this team ATM. If Danny can get future assets/players, I'm for it.

I just don't get the Green hate though. If you ran a restaurant and you asked your line-cook to be an executive chef, would you hate him because he failed?

TP for being rational. People want to hate on what he isn't, instead of being happy what he is...a good player. He isn't a superstar, but shipping him out for pennies is a mistake. If he's your leading scorer you're 16-33, but if he's your number 3 scorer, your team is going to be pretty darn good. We can't have a youth movement if Rondo is leading the team so why give him up unless it's to help get that go to scorer/star?

People throw this out there like it means nothing, like a third scorer on a championship team can be an average nba player. True third options are players like Ray Allen, Bosh or Ginobili. Green isn't close to any of those.

At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night.

  People throw out "At best Green is a 6th man on a championship team playing no more than 18-20 minutes a night" like it means nothing. Think the Heat start 5 players better than Green? How about those Lakers teams that won titles, meaning all of their post-Magic teams? If Green's at best a 6th man on a title team then at best Fisher's a 10th man on a title team. Or a starter...

Hes an inconsistent scorer who can play slightly above average d and thats it. Hes not a "3rd option" no matter what you say or however much you want him to be. The dude sucks.

hahah okay dude.

Do some research.  Portland is maybe the best offensive team in the league and would you care to guess how much their third leading scorer averages?  Here's a hint: it's exactly what Jeff averages.

Wesley Matthews is a better shooter and play maker earning 3 million less per year than green. Green is the #1 option on a garbage team and has been inconsistent all year and has shown plenty of games where he put forth little to no effort.

  Green's not the #1 option on the team, Bradley and Sully both shoot more and have higher usage rates than Green.

Because he doesn't care. Management gave him a big contract on good faith after his injury, hoping he would turn into something he never did. He's a disappointment.

[aporel#18]

When have the Celtics actually asked Green to be a "#1 scorer"?

When they built a roster on which he's the best scorer.

Built?

Yeah, take a look at Danny's offseason works



I liked the Perk+Nate for Green+Nenad trade, Celtics won that trade and they would've won the title if the O'Neal brothers or Krstic (even Erden played well as an immature rookie) could've stayed healthy to play in the playoffs.

Green is a very good player, and I like how he's playing SG and still contributing to the team. His ballhandling is too poor to excel as a guard, but he's progressing in his defensive game. He's around Rondo's age, he can score and defend, creates some mismatches. He's not a star, he's not great... ok, but which players in the NBA are better than Green at his price tag? Not a lot.

Green isn't keeping the Celtics from being great or signing a star free agent. I really don't get all the hate, and trade deadline can't come soon enough.

Go Celtics!

[Snakehead]

Wesley Matthews is a better shooter and play maker earning 3 million less per year than green. Green is the #1 option on a garbage team and has been inconsistent all year and has shown plenty of games where he put forth little to no effort.

  Green's not the #1 option on the team, Bradley and Sully both shoot more and have higher usage rates than Green.

Because he doesn't care. Management gave him a big contract on good faith after his injury, hoping he would turn into something he never did. He's a disappointment.

If only he could care the ball into the basket!

There is a ton more to basketball than caring.  Have you ever played?  You watch Jeff out there and think he doesn't care?  About what?  Scoring?  Winning?

Players who don't care tend to not play defense, I'll tell you that.  And Jeff does play defense, even when he isn't scoring much.

Like all the overboard Jeff haters, you just aren't using much logic here.  You're expecting him to be an All Star and he's not, he's just a good player who, yes, can be your third leading scorer on a playoff team.  And he isn't overpaid for that very role he is playing.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Wesley Matthews is a better shooter and play maker earning 3 million less per year than green. Green is the #1 option on a garbage team and has been inconsistent all year and has shown plenty of games where he put forth little to no effort.

  Green's not the #1 option on the team, Bradley and Sully both shoot more and have higher usage rates than Green.

Because he doesn't care. Management gave him a big contract on good faith after his injury, hoping he would turn into something he never did. He's a disappointment.

If only he could care the ball into the basket!

There is a ton more to basketball than caring.  Have you ever played?  Players who don't care tend to not play defense, I'll tell you that.  And Jeff does play defense, even when he isn't scoring much.

Like all the overboard Jeff haters, you just aren't using much logic here.  You're expecting him to be an All Star and he's not, he's just a good player who, yes, can be your third leading scorer on a playoff team.

Reminds me of that Skip Bayless rant about LeBron.

[Andrew Celtic Nation]

I mean Ginobili would be considered the Spurs third scorer for most of his career but he also has the ability to get 40 once in awbile, Jeff Green just needs to find the right situation to have a role like that, he isn't going to ever be an all-star based solely on his point per game average. I atill think he has a unique skill set and it wouldn't hurt to keep him around for whatever we are trying to do in the future unless the deal for him is a no brainer.