If the C's Pick Falls Out of the Top-3, Would You Trade It For Kevin Love?

[Fafnir]

Kahn's not the Minnesota GM anymore.

And I go the other way from your opinion--I think that Love is overrated by people who don't actually watch the Timberwolves. The only way he's in the MVP discussion is if you don't think an MVP should be able to lead his team to over .500

That type of thinking would have prevented the Celtics from trading for KG on a team that was worse then this T-Wolves.

I'd agree with your sentiment if the gulf between the talents of Minne-era KG and present day Kevin Love weren't so obvious that even as basic a metric as the eye test would bear it out.

The package we gave up for KG would have been a steal for the C's if KG had given us Kevin Love's all-nba to all-star production not MVP caliber.

[Monkhouse]

I think his numbers will decline as he ends up on a better team, actually. His team this year are worse than his breakout season two years ago, and this team is way better than that one.

Completely disagree.

Rondo has made KG/Pierce/Allen better in literally every form with his easy passing...

Except for Allen who never got a lot of touches per game, Rondo still made them all look like superstars. Imagine if they were in their prime... oh god.

Again, this sounds more and more like you're not watching enough T-Wolves games.

Kevin Love gets the ball to him where and when he likes it as many times down the court as he wants. Because he's a legitimate stretch four and a real threat to score from 0-25ft away from the basket, he's at a great advantage re: getting the ball where he wants to.

Rubio's having an awful season, but none of that has to do with his passing. Love has also consistently achieved his numbers with and without talented passing teammates.


Anyway this is getting away from the point--your initial proposal is still giving up a king's ransom to get him. Like I said earlier, this:

Sullinger+Green+Vitor Faverani+Keith Bogans
and whoever to fit the salary in trade, 
our 14 first round pick,
the 2015 Philly pick (or two second rounders)
A second rounder from the Heat, and Nets draft pick 2015 next year.

Is wayyyyy too much for Kevin Love. Even if I thought he was worth chasing.

That isn't even that much if you think about it...

Green/Sullinger aren't good enough alone to grab Love...

Say what you want, but Love is a great player, a superstar even.

Rondo will make Love absolutely amazing. You can tell last night Rondo was looking for someone to set up, but the offense was stagnant with people not doing anything or cutting.

But like I said we can agree to disagree.

I think my trade for a top PF or at best 2nd to LMA, in the league is a good enough deal imo.

[D.o.s.]

Gotta agree to disagree here. I don't think K-Love is worth trading that package for. I do think that the KG deal for a player like Kevin Love would be more palatable. to recap: I think if you cut that number of draft picks in half--instead of two [and possibly three] first round draft picks, and four seconds, as well as Sully and Green-- that's a solid trade.

[Fafnir]

Eh its a lot, but you have to give up a lot to get all-stars.

But we don't have a BKN 2015 pick, so I'm confused by that part of the post. I wouldn't trade the BKN 2016 pick if I could avoid it, just too likely to end up a lottery selection itself.

[D.o.s.]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that was either supposed to be Brooklyn's 2016 or the Clippers 2015.

I'd go Clippers, Nets, rights to swap with us in 2015, Green, Sully, and misc. filler. Anything more than that and I think I bail.

[Fafnir]

Gotta agree to disagree here. I don't think K-Love is worth trading that package for. I do think that the KG deal for a player like Kevin Love would be more palatable. to recap: I think if you cut that number of draft picks in half, that's a solid trade.

Depending what the poster meant its a single first rounder and a bunch of second rounders (unless Philly makes the playoffs)

If not it'd be 2 first round picks and a bunch of second rounders in all likelyhood.

[acieEarl]

I trade for Love in a heartbeat but you gotta resign him. I don't think he wants to resign here. I think he's tired of the cold and unfortunately will end up back in LA.

[Monkhouse]

Eh its a lot, but you have to give up a lot to get all-stars.

But we don't have a BKN 2015 pick, so I'm confused by that part of the post. I wouldn't trade the BKN 2016 pick if I could avoid it, just too likely to end up a lottery selection itself.

Gotta agree to disagree here. I don't think K-Love is worth trading that package for. I do think that the KG deal for a player like Kevin Love would be more palatable. to recap: I think if you cut that number of draft picks in half--instead of two [and possibly three] first round draft picks, and four seconds, as well as Sully and Green-- that's a solid trade.

Crap. I meant to write Clippers 2015 pick, I don't know why I kept writing Brooklyn LOL.

I meant to write Clippers pick originally, for some odd reason I kept thinking the Nets.

Either way its a solid trade... Clippers, our pick, and a couple second rounders should be good enough when we add Sully/Green on top of that.

Let me re-write it exactly.

Bogans
Jeff Green
Sullinger
Whoever can fit the salary cap space.
2015 Clippers pick
2014 our pick
Phillies conditional pick which may or may not be a first round pick, but essentially two second rounders.
Miami Heat 2nd rounder

I trade for Love in a heartbeat but you gotta resign him. I don't think he wants to resign here. I think he's tired of the cold and unfortunately will end up back in LA.

Hes not tired of the cold. Hes tired of losing.

[D.o.s.]

And that's where our difference of opinion raises it's head. I think you need to hold on to our draft pick when you're trying to get Kevin Love--especially since, even if we get him, we probably won't win enough games to keep us out of the top 5. 

[Fafnir]

And that's where our difference of opinion raises it's head. I think you need to hold on to our draft pick when you're trying to get Kevin Love--especially since, even if we get him, we probably won't win enough games to keep us out of the top 5. 

*shrug* then you're not trading for him this off season.

Minnesota has him for another season they aren't moving him for Sullinger and lower first round picks.

[D.o.s.]

Plus he's going to the Lakers anyway.

[Moranis]

In theory I'm fine with trading for Love, but trading for Love is an all-in kind of move and I'm not making that trade unless I know I can make other moves that get Boston to real contender status because Love/Rondo is not a real contender. 

So I again ask, what other moves is Boston making if it acquires Love?

[Monkhouse]

In theory I'm fine with trading for Love, but trading for Love is an all-in kind of move and I'm not making that trade unless I know I can make other moves that get Boston to real contender status because Love/Rondo is not a real contender. 

So I again ask, what other moves is Boston making if it acquires Love?

I don't know. We'll see what the mind of DA can come up with.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Assuming we trade the pick & Sully and keep Green, we'd have

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Love
Humphries

I mean is that really that great of a team?  It's pretty expensive for what it is.

I think I'd rather have the pick + cap flexibility.  I wouldn't do this deal if we had the 4th or 5th pick and were getting Exum, too.

[Monkhouse]

Assuming we trade the pick & Sully and keep Green, we'd have

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Love
Humphries

I mean is that really that great of a team?  It's pretty expensive for what it is.

I think I'd rather have the pick + cap flexibility.  I wouldn't do this deal if we had the 4th or 5th pick and were getting Exum, too.

The thing is we're clearly building around Rondo. Who is in his prime... All the assets DA has basically leads us to going after superstars or Allstars.