According to Mike Gorman there was an incident on team bus with Bogans

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Tommy alluded to this, vaguely. Bogans got upset when Brooks played over him.

I wonder if this is the thing G. Wallace was complaining about as well.

Guys, it is called "showcasing" and it worked (to an extent).

I'm really surprised a veteran like Bogans couldn't read the tea leaves. Danny usually does look to get guys in a good situation when he can. Probably not as inclined now, or able.

Bogans would never have qualified for that treatment.  He is a contract that will go wherever he is needed.  And eventually he will be cut, and be free to go where someone might actually want him, and not just his contract.

AS far as what happened...I don't really blame anyone here.  It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond. 

He is gone now, not really because of the outburst, which I am sure happen all the time.  He is gone because there was no reason for him to be there, getting frustrated.  He is a contract to trade, and that is all to this team.  So, there is absolutely no reason to keep him with the team, when he wasn't going to be playing, and he was just getting frustrated watching other guys play over him.

Oh, and he should have been playing over Brooks as well, but Brooks played because he was the younger guy, who had more of a chance to help this team going forward, while Bogans remained just a contract.  There was more upside to the team in playing Brooks, even though Bogans is the better basketball player right now.

"It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond."


That's not how I'd want a really competitive person to respond. 

The dude was a journeyman at the end of his career, getting a windfall of several million that he'd otherwise have had a tough time making in any capacity. All he had to do was be a good elder-statesman soldier for a few months while Danny showcased who needed showcasing.

He likely just blew any opportunity to hang on in a coaching capacity down the line. That's not only not professional and being a poor teammate--that's dumb.

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Bogans gets to cash checks and spend time with his son while the celtics go about their business.  A win-win for both parties.  I just hope that Bogans stays prepared to come back and play in case of injury or trade.

[kozlodoev]

"It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond."


That's not how I'd want a really competitive person to respond. 

The dude was a journeyman at the end of his career, getting a windfall of several million that he'd otherwise have had a tough time making in any capacity. All he had to do was be a good elder-statesman soldier for a few months while Danny showcased who needed showcasing.

He likely just blew any opportunity to hang on in a coaching capacity down the line. That's not only not professional and being a poor teammate--that's dumb.

"Any competitive person" would have turned down the $5 million and signed with a better team that actually wanted him and where he would have had a defined role. Can't have the cake and eat it ,too.

[Chris]

Tommy alluded to this, vaguely. Bogans got upset when Brooks played over him.

I wonder if this is the thing G. Wallace was complaining about as well.

Guys, it is called "showcasing" and it worked (to an extent).

I'm really surprised a veteran like Bogans couldn't read the tea leaves. Danny usually does look to get guys in a good situation when he can. Probably not as inclined now, or able.

Bogans would never have qualified for that treatment.  He is a contract that will go wherever he is needed.  And eventually he will be cut, and be free to go where someone might actually want him, and not just his contract.

AS far as what happened...I don't really blame anyone here.  It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond. 

He is gone now, not really because of the outburst, which I am sure happen all the time.  He is gone because there was no reason for him to be there, getting frustrated.  He is a contract to trade, and that is all to this team.  So, there is absolutely no reason to keep him with the team, when he wasn't going to be playing, and he was just getting frustrated watching other guys play over him.

Oh, and he should have been playing over Brooks as well, but Brooks played because he was the younger guy, who had more of a chance to help this team going forward, while Bogans remained just a contract.  There was more upside to the team in playing Brooks, even though Bogans is the better basketball player right now.

"It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond."


That's not how I'd want a really competitive person to respond. 

The dude was a journeyman at the end of his career, getting a windfall of several million that he'd otherwise have had a tough time making in any capacity. All he had to do was be a good elder-statesman soldier for a few months while Danny showcased who needed showcasing.

He likely just blew any opportunity to hang on in a coaching capacity down the line. That's not only not professional and being a poor teammate--that's dumb.

You're missing my point.  Competitive people can't turn it off and on that easily.  They don't say "well, I got paid, I can shut it down".  They want to compete. 

That competitiveness is part of what has kept Bogans in the league this long.  He is not that talented, but he competes relentlessly.  I am not going to hold it against him that he still wanted to compete now.

Now, I reserve the right to change my mind if what happened on the bus was something really egregious, but if it was just a bit of an outburst, shouting match, etc., I have no problem whatsoever. 

I want more players who love to compete that much.

[tstorey_97]

Bogans is only a contract. That's it. He is not a guy who can help a contender. He is a guy whose contract can help a deal.

You put the for sale merchandise and the guys with upside on the floor. Bogans is neither of the above.

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quick thoughts on both things
jeff green on san antonio! more to watch him, a team that moves the ball, no one jacks shots, looking for best shot, no one is great at anything but everyone is good at most everything

bogans, makes sense that something major happened for ainge to snip it in the bud like that, no matter what you need practice bodies
yes bogans is a better player than brooks but bogans wasn't smart enough to think brooks will be traded before deadline, i need to keep quiet and i'll get some pt (and be overpaid for it)
that is one way to go about it if you are hard nosed vet, kris humphries is the other way

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Tommy alluded to this, vaguely. Bogans got upset when Brooks played over him.

I wonder if this is the thing G. Wallace was complaining about as well.

Guys, it is called "showcasing" and it worked (to an extent).

I'm really surprised a veteran like Bogans couldn't read the tea leaves. Danny usually does look to get guys in a good situation when he can. Probably not as inclined now, or able.

Bogans would never have qualified for that treatment.  He is a contract that will go wherever he is needed.  And eventually he will be cut, and be free to go where someone might actually want him, and not just his contract.

AS far as what happened...I don't really blame anyone here.  It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond. 

He is gone now, not really because of the outburst, which I am sure happen all the time.  He is gone because there was no reason for him to be there, getting frustrated.  He is a contract to trade, and that is all to this team.  So, there is absolutely no reason to keep him with the team, when he wasn't going to be playing, and he was just getting frustrated watching other guys play over him.

Oh, and he should have been playing over Brooks as well, but Brooks played because he was the younger guy, who had more of a chance to help this team going forward, while Bogans remained just a contract.  There was more upside to the team in playing Brooks, even though Bogans is the better basketball player right now.

I think I'd have to hear what the incident was before I say that.

[Jon]

This is just another thing I dreaded happening when we went into rebuilding mode: that any of us would ever give a [dang] about what the likes of Keith Bogans thinks.

This is when I really miss KG who would have told him: you're Keith Bogans, sit down, and shut up. 

[the_Bird]

This is when I really miss KG who would have told him: you're Keith Bogans, sit down, and shut up.

...  KG would have done that.  The head coach should be doing that as well.  How many of these outbursts do we need to hear before we start wondering how well-respected our coach is by his players?

[Chris]

This is when I really miss KG who would have told him: you're Keith Bogans, sit down, and shut up.

Even if KG did do that, this still might have ended the same way.  There wasn't a whole lot of reason for him to be here.

[vinnie]

Jay O ‏@MrTrpleDouble10
Gorman said when he talks to people around the league, it sounds like there is a real big interest in Jeff Green

Oh, now I get it: "rival executives think Celtics are motivated to trade Jeff Green" = "we're interested in getting Green for pennies on the dollar".

Good luck with that.

beat me to it.

green is a very good basketball player, just not as the prime focus of a team's offense. on a team with 1-2 other scorers, he will be great. so of course a number of teams would like to have him.

but what are they willing to give up to get him in a trade? there's the rub. ainge has said time and again he does not give up talent without getting equivalent or better in return.

but i am taking this thread away from bogans. soooo.... yep bogans is gone probably due to being irked and frustrated that he cannot play the game he loves.

in a way, i admire his desire to play. in another way, he did not have enough talent to crack a crappy celtic rotation this year. it did not take much to make his presence cost more than it is worth.

bah-bye bogey!!!

Do you think Green was great on the Thunder?

Thank you for asking the right question.

[Jon]

This is when I really miss KG who would have told him: you're Keith Bogans, sit down, and shut up.

Even if KG did do that, this still might have ended the same way.  There wasn't a whole lot of reason for him to be here.

True.  And it's tough for any coach to sell players on what is very clearly a rebuilding situation.  Doc's "ubuntu" only worked because the team was a successful contender. 

[GreenWarrior]

"It sounds like Bogans had an outburst from the frustration of his situation.  He responded the way you would want any really competitive person to respond."

a competitive person would've just played better, leaving a coach no choice but to play him.

but either way even if he was the better player over every other guard on the roster in practice and felt he should've been playing more. it's not his place to say who gets to play. it's the coach.

a professional would've asked the coach privately what, if any were the plans for his playing time.

when you try to become a distraction I have no sympathy, regardless of anyone's competitive nature. plus the reality of this particular situation is that bogans is nothing in this league. danny has swept him under the rug and is nothing more than a contract that will be traded and then waived by whatever team gets him.

really this guy is getting more attention than he deserves.

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