We Need to Keep Humphries

[RRNoLookPass]

I like him as a 10-15mpg backup big for $2-3 million a year.

But the Celtics already have two superior PFs on the books in Jared Sullinger (30-35mpg starter) and Brandon Bass (20-25mpg backup big) and a third young PF in Kelly Olynyk who needs playing time to develop. So no interest in keeping Humphries.

I am sure Humphries would have ended up demanding more money and playing time than I would be comfortable in giving him (10-15mpg, $2-3mil) anyway. So even without the PF options already on the team, I'd pass on keeping Hump.

Humphries has actually been great this year about not demanding more playing time than he has received at any given time. At the beginning of the year, when he was racking up DNPs, nobody heard a peep from Humphries. He was a true pro, even when he deserved playing time and was getting none. It was only Wallace running his mouth and complaining about how it is hard to deal with a reduced role and less playing time.

With that being said, I agree that Humphries will probably be looking for more than $2-3million per year, but who could blame him? Consistent DBL/DBL threats with good shot-blocking skills do not grow on trees.

[RRNoLookPass]

How is Bass better than Hump?

+1  ...I was gonna say the same thing. In no way is Bass a "superior" PF compared to Hump. If bass deserves 20-25mpg, than Hump deserves 30mpg. The only thing Bass may be better at is defense, in the aspect that he can help guard opposing perimeter players like LBJ & Melo. But Green already has the SF defense under control anyways.

[csfansince60s]

Hump is far more valuable to us as a trade piece than a long-term asset. He will get at least the full MLE from some team.

As a large expiring contract and someone who can produce close to a double-double nightly, he is probably our most tradable asset after Rondo, Bradley, Sully.

As others have said, he can contribute to a contender or a wannabe contender immediately. Boy, could we have used him here for the last few years.

[RRNoLookPass]

Hump is far more valuable to us as a trade piece than a long-term asset. He will get at least the full MLE from some team.

As a large expiring contract and someone who can produce close to a double-double nightly, he is probably our most tradable asset after Rondo, Bradley, Sully.

As others have said, he can contribute to a contender or a wannabe contender immediately. Boy, could we have used him here for the last few years.

Yeah, I agree that Humphries makes a great trade piece, especially as a big expiring contract (12mil per yr). However, it's not worth trading him and taking on that much new salary unless he nets us something really nice in return. I wouldn't mind retaining him at the MLE. I'd much rather have Hump at the MLE than Bass at 6.7mil per yr.

No, we really don't. Hump is a nice little player but is easily replaceable and is should not be a part of this team's future plans unless it is at a significantly reduced price, like vet min to $3 million a year.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Players who are consistent DBL/DBL threats, and skilled shot-blockers are not all that easily replaceable, and are worth more than 1-3mill per yr. If he wants to come back for the MLE, I'd like to see that happen, assuming he is willing to stay within a bench role. (Sully should be the designated starting PF moving forward). We would probably have to dump Bass for that to make sense tho. Not enough playing time to go around for 4 rotation PFs.

[CFAN38]

one problem that i read on basketballinsider (the guys formally of hoops world) is that Kris is view as a tough locker room guy. As a fan looking in I dont see it but the writer for that site (cant remember which one I read it on a chat) said that his perceived rift with teammates will make him an unlikely trade candidate. 

[Who]

How is Bass better than Hump?

Bass is better than Humphries at
* Interior man defense
* Perimeter man defense
* Midrange jump-shooting
* Shot-creation
* Transition offense and transition defense

Humphries has a large advantage over Bass in
* Offensive rebounding
* Defensive rebounding

[2short]

I like some things about hump
1. didn't get good pt at beginning of season and did the team thing, kept his mouth shut and worked and when time came performed
2. rebounds as good as anyone we have
3. tough
4. plays hard, good defense, improved jumper (tie)

So regards to the post we need to keep humphries
sure
IF
we trade bass and hump can be resigned at the correct pay scale as first big man off the bench in either pf or center role
no matter how you look at it we still have a log jam at pf and at least 1 if not TWO guys are moving
sully is NOT a center, we don't have a starting center soooo we are trading for one (asik, okafor) or going after a free agent after season
sully, bass, hump, ko  all young (enough)
i'd think ainge wants to keep ko and see how he looks next year

[BleedGreen1989]

How is Bass better than Hump?

Bass is better than Humphries at
* Interior man defense
* Perimeter man defense
* Midrange jump-shooting
* Shot-creation
* Transition offense and transition defense

Humphries has a large advantage over Bass in
* Offensive rebounding
* Defensive rebounding

Only thing I think Bass has an advantage in is on-ball defense. Too busy to look at stats right now but I'd have to imagine Hump is close or superior to Bass in the other categories.

[Fafnir]

How is Bass better than Hump?

Bass is better than Humphries at
* Interior man defense
* Perimeter man defense
* Midrange jump-shooting
* Shot-creation
* Transition offense and transition defense

Humphries has a large advantage over Bass in
* Offensive rebounding
* Defensive rebounding

The thing is that basketball stats have people valuing only these items.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

#KeepHump.

The guy wont cost $12 million again, and would be a very good third big coming off the bench or even starting.

The energy, toughness and rebounding alone is good enough reason to keep him. But then he showed he can hit mid range shots and protect the rim.

I mean, why not? He backs Sully and the Center spot and will do it so well.

[RRNoLookPass]

How is Bass better than Hump?

Bass is better than Humphries at
* Interior man defense
* Perimeter man defense
* Midrange jump-shooting
* Shot-creation
* Transition offense and transition defense

Humphries has a large advantage over Bass in
* Offensive rebounding
* Defensive rebounding

Do you have numbers to back that up? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I really haven't noticed Bass being anything special on transition offense and defense. Bass is certainly solid on jumpshooting, perimeter D, and interior D. But It seems like Humps certainly gets more fastbreak pts and chasedown blocks than Bass does, which is a large part of transition offense and defense.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Humph protects the rim better than Bass.   He is clearly a better shot blocker.  He also passes out of the post when it's not there not like No Pass Bass.

[Who]

How is Bass better than Hump?

Bass is better than Humphries at
* Interior man defense
* Perimeter man defense
* Midrange jump-shooting
* Shot-creation
* Transition offense and transition defense

Humphries has a large advantage over Bass in
* Offensive rebounding
* Defensive rebounding

Do you have numbers to back that up? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I really haven't noticed Bass being anything special on transition offense and defense. Bass is certainly solid on jumpshooting, perimeter D, and interior D. But It seems like Humps certainly gets more fastbreak pts and chasedown blocks than Bass does, which is a large part of transition offense and defense.

Nope, just what I see.

I think Humph protects the rim better than Bass.   He is clearly a better shot blocker. He also passes out of the post when it's not there not like No Pass Bass.

Humphries has done a much better job than Bass blocking shots so far this season but it is not something Humphries has typically done well during his career. It's generally been a weakness for him (like Bass). Unsure whether he'll keep it up. That is why I left it off my list.

But yes, definitely this season, off the ball shot-blocking is something Hump has done better than Bass.

On the passing, I think Hump + Bass are both weak passers of the ball and are both amongst the worst passers in the league relative to the rest of the starting PFs in the league.

[2short]

#KeepHump.

The guy wont cost $12 million again, and would be a very good third big coming off the bench or even starting.

The energy, toughness and rebounding alone is good enough reason to keep him. But then he showed he can hit mid range shots and protect the rim.

I mean, why not? He backs Sully and the Center spot and will do it so well.

Agree. With you but to play devils advocate.
How much do you pay him/ what would he resign for?
Where would minutes come from for ko?
Is fav better than a third string center?

Part of problem with this years team, no big difference between our logjams at sg and pf

[Birdman]

He always been a good player when giving the chance to play..i say keep him