Unappealing (hence undervalued) Trade Targets Discussion

[Who]

I really like Ezeli in Golden State. Not quite as talented as Asik or Gortat was but Ezeli, for my money, is the best backup center in the league and will prove to be a solid starting caliber center (borderline top 20). His defensive range and toughness being the standout skills.

Would you try to trade for him before he comes back from his off-season knee surgery?  (He's not expected to be back until March.)

Sure. I think it was one of the less serious (not ACL) of the long term knee injuries that Ezeli suffered. Happy to take a chance on that.

[pokeKingCurtis]

In hindsight I think we should have looked to get Koufos somehow with Lee. They have Jon Leuer and Ed Davis who all need minutes behind Randolf and Gasol. Leuer has kind of outshined Koufos, too, I've heard.




Right now, Larry Sanders.

Just googled him and found out that he got ejected again (I thought he was coming back from his injury of sorts).

...And google news'd him and found out he got into an altercation with Gary Neal. Of course, with the Bucks it's always slow news day but still...

Give them a couple picks and take him off their hands. Henson needs minutes.

[Moranis]

How about something like this

Indiana - Humphries, Butler
Milwaukee - Granger
Boston - Scola, Sanders

Boston picks up Sanders and takes on Scola for Humphries.

Milwaukee dumps the headache they have with Sanders for Granger's expiring.

Indiana picks up two useful players with expiring contracts (Butler has been slightly better than Granger, and Hump is better than Scola) and shave a little off of next year by dropping Scola.

[moiso]

Sanders has sucked since he signed his contract, Mark Blount style.  I can't believe people would want him on the Celtics.

[PAOBoston]

In hindsight I think we should have looked to get Koufos somehow with Lee. They have Jon Leuer and Ed Davis who all need minutes behind Randolf and Gasol. Leuer has kind of outshined Koufos, too, I've heard.




Right now, Larry Sanders.

Just googled him and found out that he got ejected again (I thought he was coming back from his injury of sorts).

...And google news'd him and found out he got into an altercation with Gary Neal. Of course, with the Bucks it's always slow news day but still...

Give them a couple picks and take him off their hands. Henson needs minutes.

Why on earth do people want that nut job on the Celtics? Larry Sanders is the definition of a team cancer. He got in a fight last year with Monta Ellis. He got into an altercation with Gary Neal this year. He's been ejected several times already this year for dirty plays. His numbers are down across the board. And he's making 11 million per for the next 3 years. Why would you want to bring that on to this Celtics team? Maybe if KG/Pierce were still here he might fall in line but with no type of veteran leadership, he'd be a complete train wreck on this team.

[R6Caruso]

People want Sanders because he's 6'11", an athletic freak, and only 25 years old. Yes he's been a cancer, and maybe he's had off court issues, or his numbers are down a little but that doesn't change the fact that he could flourish here in our system along side Sully with the right point guard in Rondo and coached by Stevens. Last 3 games Sanders has put up 10.7 pts, 8 reb, 3 blk, 2 stl, in just under 30 mins/game. I personally like those numbers and would love to see him in green (at the right price - of course)

[CFAN38]

I like the topic but the way you have it presented 95% of the NBA fits into one of your categories.

I do think the celtics are in a great position to look for sell low prospects. Much like the celtics failed in the past by selling low on Billups and Joe Johnson. They also did a good job buying low with Crawford then flipping him.

I think Freddete, MKG, Biyombo, A Bennett, Udoh, Motiejunas, and M Leonard all fit this mold at different levels. 

[pokeKingCurtis]

In hindsight I think we should have looked to get Koufos somehow with Lee. They have Jon Leuer and Ed Davis who all need minutes behind Randolf and Gasol. Leuer has kind of outshined Koufos, too, I've heard.




Right now, Larry Sanders.

Just googled him and found out that he got ejected again (I thought he was coming back from his injury of sorts).

...And google news'd him and found out he got into an altercation with Gary Neal. Of course, with the Bucks it's always slow news day but still...

Give them a couple picks and take him off their hands. Henson needs minutes.

Why on earth do people want that nut job on the Celtics? Larry Sanders is the definition of a team cancer. He got in a fight last year with Monta Ellis. He got into an altercation with Gary Neal this year. He's been ejected several times already this year for dirty plays. His numbers are down across the board. And he's making 11 million per for the next 3 years. Why would you want to bring that on to this Celtics team? Maybe if KG/Pierce were still here he might fall in line but with no type of veteran leadership, he'd be a complete train wreck on this team.

Same reason why people wanted(want) DeMarcus Cousins. Buy low (of course, the Kings didn't seem to want to sell low with DMC in the first place so it was much ado about nothing).

A case can still be made for Sanders. The Bucks were a trainwreck (still are?). They played 2 ball dominant guards who play no defense, have no coach (that I know of) to hide or at least diminish their problems.

Even after the departure of Jennings there was a back and forth between Sanders and Jennings.

Asked by Fox Sports Wisconsin's Andrew Gruman to comment on Jennings saying he was going to play with better bigs in Detroit, Sanders responded: "He has to pass it to them first."

Jennings said he wasn't taking a shot at the Bucks by complimenting the Pistons' front line, but he didn't back down from his talent assessment.

"I wasn't taking shots at Milwaukee, but let's be honest here," Jennings said. "I got two of the best young big men in the league. I'm not going to sugarcoat it or say it any other way. If he feels like I wasn't passing him the ball ... (laughs). There's times that that I had 20, 18, 19 assists in a game over there, so I was passing.

"Sometimes you gotta be able to finish."

Jennings' career high is 19 assists.

He had one more thing to say.

"Hey, they paid him $11 million per year, so he's doing something right," Jennings said of Sanders.

He's going from the organization that traded Tobias Harris for a JJ Redick rental to an organization that's actually looking to win. To an organization run by a GM that inspires hope and not despair.

Rondo is a leader. Not a fan of Rondo? Well then, Brad Stevens has shown to be able to handle erratic egos, turning Jordan Crawford into a somewhat coveted asset.

Ainge has also constructed a pretty solid locker room with guys like AB, Bass and Sully being hard workers and no headcases. There is no KG but there is also no Delonte or Jennings.

It's a risk but it could be worth it.





Of course, the Bucks could be dreaming of a future frontcourt of Sanders and Henson. Not inconceivable.  Could turn out amazing with all that length.




Side note: Whether you tank or not, whatever your views are on the mediocre treadmill, you have to agree trading Tobias Harris for a rental of JJ Redick just to make a first round exit team marginally more competitive is just bad business. I see a lot of grey in rebuilding and team building in general but that was definitely a bad move.

[D.o.s.]

I'm with the pokeKing, Sanders would be a great target.

I know he's "not a true center," but I'd wager that a Sullinger/Sanders frontcourt would be just fine defensively, as Sanders is one of the best rim protectors in the game.

And with a modern NBA defense, you need that. We don't have one, and it shows.

[PAOBoston]

In hindsight I think we should have looked to get Koufos somehow with Lee. They have Jon Leuer and Ed Davis who all need minutes behind Randolf and Gasol. Leuer has kind of outshined Koufos, too, I've heard.




Right now, Larry Sanders.

Just googled him and found out that he got ejected again (I thought he was coming back from his injury of sorts).

...And google news'd him and found out he got into an altercation with Gary Neal. Of course, with the Bucks it's always slow news day but still...

Give them a couple picks and take him off their hands. Henson needs minutes.

Why on earth do people want that nut job on the Celtics? Larry Sanders is the definition of a team cancer. He got in a fight last year with Monta Ellis. He got into an altercation with Gary Neal this year. He's been ejected several times already this year for dirty plays. His numbers are down across the board. And he's making 11 million per for the next 3 years. Why would you want to bring that on to this Celtics team? Maybe if KG/Pierce were still here he might fall in line but with no type of veteran leadership, he'd be a complete train wreck on this team.

Same reason why people wanted(want) DeMarcus Cousins. Buy low (of course, the Kings didn't seem to want to sell low with DMC in the first place so it was much ado about nothing).

A case can still be made for Sanders. The Bucks were a trainwreck (still are?). They played 2 ball dominant guards who play no defense, have no coach (that I know of) to hide or at least diminish their problems.

Even after the departure of Jennings there was a back and forth between Sanders and Jennings.

Asked by Fox Sports Wisconsin's Andrew Gruman to comment on Jennings saying he was going to play with better bigs in Detroit, Sanders responded: "He has to pass it to them first."

Jennings said he wasn't taking a shot at the Bucks by complimenting the Pistons' front line, but he didn't back down from his talent assessment.

"I wasn't taking shots at Milwaukee, but let's be honest here," Jennings said. "I got two of the best young big men in the league. I'm not going to sugarcoat it or say it any other way. If he feels like I wasn't passing him the ball ... (laughs). There's times that that I had 20, 18, 19 assists in a game over there, so I was passing.

"Sometimes you gotta be able to finish."

Jennings' career high is 19 assists.

He had one more thing to say.

"Hey, they paid him $11 million per year, so he's doing something right," Jennings said of Sanders.

He's going from the organization that traded Tobias Harris for a JJ Redick rental to an organization that's actually looking to win. To an organization run by a GM that inspires hope and not despair.

Rondo is a leader. Not a fan of Rondo? Well then, Brad Stevens has shown to be able to handle erratic egos, turning Jordan Crawford into a somewhat coveted asset.

Ainge has also constructed a pretty solid locker room with guys like AB, Bass and Sully being hard workers and no headcases. There is no KG but there is also no Delonte or Jennings.

It's a risk but it could be worth it.





Of course, the Bucks could be dreaming of a future frontcourt of Sanders and Henson. Not inconceivable.  Could turn out amazing with all that length.




Side note: Whether you tank or not, whatever your views are on the mediocre treadmill, you have to agree trading Tobias Harris for a rental of JJ Redick just to make a first round exit team marginally more competitive is just bad business. I see a lot of grey in rebuilding and team building in general but that was definitely a bad move.

Demarcus Cousins can score. Larry Sanders cannot. This team, while it certainly needs someone to defend the paint, also needs a certifiable #1 scoring option. I'd be more worried about getting that guy first than a guy like Sanders, unless you get get him for really dirt cheap. Again, Sanders is not a good locker room guy when you have a lot of young guys on the team. I wouldnt want to bring a guy with that much baggage here unless there was some sort of veteran leadership in place. Just my opinion.

[moiso]

Yeah, let's pay $11mil per year for a guy who is averaging 6pts and 6rebounds.  43% field goal percentage and 44% free throw percentage.  Awesome!

This guy is not in the same ballpark as Cousins.  Even if he were a model teammate, he's still not worth anything close to $11mil.

[Fafnir]

Yeah, let's pay $11mil per year for a guy who is averaging 6pts and 6rebounds.  43% field goal percentage and 44% free throw percentage.  Awesome!

This guy is not in the same ballpark as Cousins.  Even if he were a model teammate, he's still not worth anything close to $11mil.

Larry Sanders entire value is on defense, his problem hasn't been his rebounding per se its his fouling. He can't stay on the court to have his defensive impact. When he's on the court this year he's still been really good on that end.

Offensively on the other hand bleh.

[Snakehead]

Yeah, let's pay $11mil per year for a guy who is averaging 6pts and 6rebounds.  43% field goal percentage and 44% free throw percentage.  Awesome!

This guy is not in the same ballpark as Cousins.  Even if he were a model teammate, he's still not worth anything close to $11mil.

Larry Sanders entire value is on defense, his problem hasn't been his rebounding per se its his fouling. He can't stay on the court to have his defensive impact. When he's on the court this year he's still been really good on that end.

Offensively on the other hand bleh.

I don't even care about basketball with how much of dummy he's being this year off the court.

[moiso]

Yeah, let's pay $11mil per year for a guy who is averaging 6pts and 6rebounds.  43% field goal percentage and 44% free throw percentage.  Awesome!

This guy is not in the same ballpark as Cousins.  Even if he were a model teammate, he's still not worth anything close to $11mil.

Larry Sanders entire value is on defense, his problem hasn't been his rebounding per se its his fouling. He can't stay on the court to have his defensive impact. When he's on the court this year he's still been really good on that end.

Offensively on the other hand bleh.

Yeah, I realize he has defensive ability but I just don't think it's close to an $11million dollar per year package.

[D.o.s.]

Yeah, let's pay $11mil per year for a guy who is averaging 6pts and 6rebounds.  43% field goal percentage and 44% free throw percentage.  Awesome!

This guy is not in the same ballpark as Cousins.  Even if he were a model teammate, he's still not worth anything close to $11mil.

Larry Sanders entire value is on defense, his problem hasn't been his rebounding per se its his fouling. He can't stay on the court to have his defensive impact. When he's on the court this year he's still been really good on that end.

Offensively on the other hand bleh.

Yeah, I realize he has defensive ability but I just don't think it's close to an $11million dollar per year package.

You do realize that most elite defensive players, of whom Sanders is the youngest, make right around that?

Perkins makes only a little less than that (from a cap perspective), and his form of defensive prowess is fast fading from the NBA and significantly less valuable--post D.

His co-hort, Serge Ibaka, makes more than Sanders for doing the same thing that Sanders does--protecting the rim.

Also, for what it's worth, if Sanders could ever stay on the court he should average right around a double double with points and rebounds.