Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now

[Snakehead]

I'm still amazed that people don't think that Rondo needs to come back at all this year. Rondo has to show what sort of impact he can have without KG/Pierce on a non-veteran team and also play his way back to his game coming off a catastrophic injury.

The team can't move forward without doing that either way (trade or keep).

And I would love to keep Rondo longterm, but it pays to play him to see what he can do.  Both to know if you should plan to keep him or to "showcase" him or whatever if that's the route that we go.  personally I hope not, but how injuries go you can't take them for granted.  We need to see Rondo play some and I think it'll be big like Faf says, for him to play out there as the defacto leader and star for a while (before maybe a big draft pick, FA, trade chip comes in).

[GreenWarrior]

I said a ways back "if he comes back a few weeks before the trade deadline then he's probably being showcased".

I still believe that. in fact I think he's actively being shopped with high interest from other teams. the only thing from preventing the interested teams from pulling the trigger is they'd like to know what they're investing in. hence the reason rondo is coming back now, before the trade deadline.

I do not want rondo traded because we'll never get fair value for him and i'll admit what i would consider fair value probably isn't realistic either. but I also think it's a bit more realistic than what we'd actually get.

rondo's got intangibles you can't teach, practice or invoke magic spells to acquire.

You know for me, Danny has kept saying since Rondo was injured last year, that he is going nowhere. Brad Stevens visiting him right after he got hired, indicates Rondo is not going nowhere. 

If you see around the league, unless a three way trade can be orchastrated, no team that needs him will likely give back what Rondo is actually worth like you mentioned. For example Drummond or Cousins.

This is why for me its weird he is coming back, right before the trade deadline.

Again, never mind all the other stuff; if he's ready to play, how do you keep him out?  You can't do it. 

Danny can't sit down with his player and say, "listen, Rajon, I can't have you come back this season, because our goal is to lose.  I need you to sit out the rest of the season."

Rajon might not take kindly to that.  He might even squeal on Danny to the media.  He can't take that risk even if he didn't want him to play.

i'm not saying rondo isn't ready and he's just coming back to be showcased. I believe he is ready. I believe he has been ready for a while actually.

everything may have just worked out conveniently.

[mmmmm]

Moves are happening now because other teams are willing to make deals now to shore up their rotations. Plus I think Danny is scared that Crawford's value would decline if he's no longer starting.

Rondo is coming back because he's healthy and ready to take that step.

I don't see why the two trades and Rondo are connected in some grand master plan beyond the basic facts.

Why does it matter if JCraws value diminishes once Rondo comes back.

Because Danny wanted to get as much value as he could for Crawford.  That would seem obvious.

Many feel having Jcraw as a backup instead of Pressey or JB would be better.

They would be wrong.

So again, you are trading away talent for mainly plan for the future, like team is not going to be as good, but you are bringing Rondo back to want to make the team better (lessening chances to draft a high pick). So which way is it?

We traded away Lee, who was playing under 17 mpg as a shooter off the bench and Crawford, who was destined to become that same 17 mpg shooter off the bench (as of RR's return) and Brooks, who gets 0 minutes off the bench for Bayless, who is pretty close to the same if not better to be that same 17 mpg shooter off the bench.

The team in no way is worse competitively for this season because of those trades.

[winsomme]

The trading of Lee, Jcraw, Brooks signals the team is ready to free themselves from contract obligations and arm with picks to build the team. Same deal with trading Humphries, Bass, and perhaps Green. But you are going against the Current with bringing back Rondo, who makes your team better.
So what is exactly Danny trying to do? Only possibilities i can think of is

1) Bring back Rondo, become a better team, boost the play of Green, Humphries, Bass before the trade deadline, trade them and sit out Rondo for the rest of the year (due to *cough* aggravation)

2) Bring back Rondo, hope he plays like Rondo of the past and trade him to the highest bidder before the trade deadline.

3) Bring back Rondo, but his game is off, shut him down for the rest of the year and still go ahead with trading everyone else (for possible lesser value)

4) *wildcard scenerio*, and with the way Danny is preparing to rebuild, perhaps not the way he is planning to move fwd. Rondo comesback and the team is on fire. Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradleys game boosts up considerably also. Then in the trade deadline, he packages one or two of our promising young players, gives up 2 1st round pick for a Kevin Love, gives up a future 1st and another player for Asik.  Some hinting , we should also go after Anthony. The bottom line is, the Celts are armed with so many picks and we do a 2 promising young players in Sullinger and AB, that getting all of these three players (Love, Asik, Anthoney even) is not out of this world

5) Rondo is brought back, we play into being a mediocre team (even make 8th place), lose early, and get a post lottery pick.  Then go into next year with alot of questions, alot more losing etc.  (worse case scenerio)

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Imo, i just don't know why Danny at this point just shuts down Rondo for the rest of the year especially if he wants to build around him yet also pair him with a high draft pick this summer. Not sure if this would be a league violation or something. Don't think having him back will really boost the trade value of Hump,Green, Bass any further.

Worse case Ainge can't let situation #5 happen.

I'm definitely worried about scenario 5. I don't think the value of our chip will change much between now and the trade deadline winning or losing. The only player's value I could see changing would be Rondo because team's might want to see him playing healthy again, but I also don't see any packages out there that would be worth trading Rondo for...

I really don't know what the plan is here and am worried that Rondo is playing simply because he wants to regardless of what it does to our rebuilding plan...

I honestly don't see how this rebuild works without a top 5 pick in this draft and I don't see how we get that with Rondo playing....

As for getting a player like Love, I don't see how that happens until AFTER the season when the value of our 2014 pick is set. Right now, our 2014 could easily not even be a lottery pick....That's not gonna land you KLove.

[Tr1boy]

Who knows if Rondo is showcasing Rondo.  Maybe he wants out

I get he is ready to be back and doesn't care about anything else much other than playing right now. But i wonder how he will feel, if Danny trades the rest of the key assets and the team goes on major losing streaks.

I can see him possibly aggravating his past injury due to wanting to try so hard to stop losing.

[pearljammer10]

The trading of Lee, Jcraw, Brooks signals the team is ready to free themselves from contract obligations and arm with picks to build the team. Same deal with trading Humphries, Bass, and perhaps Green. But you are going against the Current with bringing back Rondo, who makes your team better.
So what is exactly Danny trying to do? Only possibilities i can think of is

1) Bring back Rondo, become a better team, boost the play of Green, Humphries, Bass before the trade deadline, trade them and sit out Rondo for the rest of the year (due to *cough* aggravation)

2) Bring back Rondo, hope he plays like Rondo of the past and trade him to the highest bidder before the trade deadline.

3) Bring back Rondo, but his game is off, shut him down for the rest of the year and still go ahead with trading everyone else (for possible lesser value)

4) *wildcard scenerio*, and with the way Danny is preparing to rebuild, perhaps not the way he is planning to move fwd. Rondo comesback and the team is on fire. Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradleys game boosts up considerably also. Then in the trade deadline, he packages one or two of our promising young players, gives up 2 1st round pick for a Kevin Love, gives up a future 1st and another player for Asik.  Some hinting , we should also go after Anthony. The bottom line is, the Celts are armed with so many picks and we do a 2 promising young players in Sullinger and AB, that getting all of these three players (Love, Asik, Anthoney even) is not out of this world

5) Rondo is brought back, we play into being a mediocre team (even make 8th place), lose early, and get a post lottery pick.  Then go into next year with alot of questions, alot more losing etc.  (worse case scenerio)

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Imo, i just don't know why Danny at this point just shuts down Rondo for the rest of the year especially if he wants to build around him yet also pair him with a high draft pick this summer. Not sure if this would be a league violation or something. Don't think having him back will really boost the trade value of Hump,Green, Bass any further.

Worse case Ainge can't let situation #5 happen.

First off I agree with celtics18 number 6 as being the correct solution...

And to address the bold. Crawford and Brooks were expirings so Lee was the only "contract obligation" we really got rid of. Did you ever think that trading Lee, Crawford and Brooks was because they are all, plain and simple, guards...Which Rondo plays. With Rondo coming back Bradley our starting SG and Bayless a good back up option at both positions, those trades add up perfectly in my eyes.

[Tr1boy]

The trading of Lee, Jcraw, Brooks signals the team is ready to free themselves from contract obligations and arm with picks to build the team. Same deal with trading Humphries, Bass, and perhaps Green. But you are going against the Current with bringing back Rondo, who makes your team better.
So what is exactly Danny trying to do? Only possibilities i can think of is

1) Bring back Rondo, become a better team, boost the play of Green, Humphries, Bass before the trade deadline, trade them and sit out Rondo for the rest of the year (due to *cough* aggravation)

2) Bring back Rondo, hope he plays like Rondo of the past and trade him to the highest bidder before the trade deadline.

3) Bring back Rondo, but his game is off, shut him down for the rest of the year and still go ahead with trading everyone else (for possible lesser value)

4) *wildcard scenerio*, and with the way Danny is preparing to rebuild, perhaps not the way he is planning to move fwd. Rondo comesback and the team is on fire. Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradleys game boosts up considerably also. Then in the trade deadline, he packages one or two of our promising young players, gives up 2 1st round pick for a Kevin Love, gives up a future 1st and another player for Asik.  Some hinting , we should also go after Anthony. The bottom line is, the Celts are armed with so many picks and we do a 2 promising young players in Sullinger and AB, that getting all of these three players (Love, Asik, Anthoney even) is not out of this world

5) Rondo is brought back, we play into being a mediocre team (even make 8th place), lose early, and get a post lottery pick.  Then go into next year with alot of questions, alot more losing etc.  (worse case scenerio)

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Imo, i just don't know why Danny at this point just shuts down Rondo for the rest of the year especially if he wants to build around him yet also pair him with a high draft pick this summer. Not sure if this would be a league violation or something. Don't think having him back will really boost the trade value of Hump,Green, Bass any further.

Worse case Ainge can't let situation #5 happen.

I'm definitely worried about scenario 5. I don't think the value of our chip will change much between now and the trade deadline winning or losing. The only player's value I could see changing would be Rondo because team's might want to see him playing healthy again, but I also don't see any packages out there that would be worth trading Rondo for...

I really don't know what the plan is here and am worried that Rondo is playing simply because he wants to regardless of what it does to our rebuilding plan...

I honestly don't see how this rebuild works without a top 5 pick in this draft and I don't see how we get that with Rondo playing....

As for getting a player like Love, I don't see how that happens until AFTER the season when the value of our 2014 pick is set. Right now, our 2014 could easily not even be a lottery pick....That's not gonna land you KLove.

Your probably right about getting Love. It would have to be on draft night.

#5 scenerio is definitely possible , especially if there are no takers for Hump,Bass,Green. These guys at peak state plus rondo at peak state would = a playoff contention team. But not good enough to beat the major players. And worse we end up with non top 10 pick this summer (deep draft)

[CelticG1]

This is certainly a bizarre

He's pretty much coming back when we expected.  He's been practicing for a while now.  And Rondo is hungry to play.

Really can't see it being weird.  If he's more than ready to play why would anyone want him sitting out for an extra month?

You really think it's a good idea if he is ready for Danny to tell him to sit for another month?

[winsomme]

This is certainly a bizarre

He's pretty much coming back when we expected.  He's been practicing for a while now.  And Rondo is hungry to play.

Really can't see it being weird.  If he's more than ready to play why would anyone want him sitting out for an extra month?

You really think it's a good idea if he is ready for Danny to tell him to sit for another month?

Probably not, but it definitely complicates Danny's plan moving forward...

[LooseCannon]

The trading of Lee, Jcraw, Brooks signals the team is ready to free themselves from contract obligations and arm with picks to build the team.

Or, it means Ainge is trying to make trades where he sees more value coming in than going out.  And perhaps he's not afraid of making the playoffs this year.

[Chris]

I think he is bringing back Rondo now, because Rondo is ready to come back, and he made the trades now, because those are trades that made sense for the team, and they were available now.  I don't think there is that much more to it.

I do think he pushed the Crawford trade before Rondo came back, because he fears Crawford, who has had issues with going to the bench in the past, could really lose value once Rondo comes back.  But, that's not really any big deal.  They didn't need Crawford anymore.

[Tr1boy]

I think he is bringing back Rondo now, because Rondo is ready to come back, and he made the trades now, because those are trades that made sense for the team, and they were available now.  I don't think there is that much more to it.

the trade made sense for the team how? 

It's to rebuild

With Rondo coming back, its so that the team plays better.

Danny wants to rebuild. He is looking fwd to the draft. So Rondo coming back could potentially complicate his plan, especially if he plays well.

Rondo could be back next year. He could play with the D league guys for the next two months.

Again i understand the main thing is that he needs to be back to pre injury levels. But the next steps can't be fully ignored either.   

[RJ87]

As I said in another thread, the point of him returning is because it's part of his rehab. Playing in a game and not having any setbacks is the final step of rehab for him. Sitting out the season or longer than he needs to doesn't benefit him in any way.

And the chances of him getting dealt between now and the deadline are slim. I'm assuming teams would use the returns/reinjuries of D.Rose, Westbrook, and Kobe to lowball Danny in negotiations. It's just not a smart time to try to trade him.

[Tr1boy]

I just think , there is no point of him coming back this year (unless otherwise). Likely he is going to be shut down, eventually later on this year anyways. What if the team is so bad, Rondo tries too hard and reinjures himself?

If danny wants to keep Rondo as the future PG, plus get a high pick, it wouldn't have hurt if Rondo sat out for the rest of the year or got 80 percent of his game back in the D league.

[Lucky17]

If you accept the premise that Ainge views Rondo as the franchise cornerstone, how is Ainge supposed to assess/evaluate the rest of the roster without Rondo actually playing in games with those other players?