For tanks sake Danny, get rid of Humphries and Bass immediately.

[BballTim]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

[slamtheking]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

[BballTim]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

  Depends on the situation. I don't think he'd say "sit player X, we're trying to lose". But I would imagine that they'd have to coordinate their efforts on some level. Danny might want him to showcase a player that he's trying to trade, play someone that he's evaluating in terms of the future, or talk about developing a young player instead of giving more minutes to an older, slightly better player who has no future with the team.

[slamtheking]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

  Depends on the situation. I don't think he'd say "sit player X, we're trying to lose". But I would imagine that they'd have to coordinate their efforts on some level. Danny might want him to showcase a player that he's trying to trade, play someone that he's evaluating in terms of the future, or talk about developing a young player instead of giving more minutes to an older, slightly better player who has no future with the team.

I'm sure they communicate at a high level on the direction of the team but I really don't think Danny tells Brad who to play for showcasing or player evaluations or player development.  I think Danny leaves that to Brad.  Danny didn't micromanage Doc (as evidenced by Doc's distribution of minutes and his rotations) -- I don't see him starting now with Brad

[LooseCannon]

I'm sure they communicate at a high level on the direction of the team but I really don't think Danny tells Brad who to play for showcasing or player evaluations or player development.  I think Danny leaves that to Brad.  Danny didn't micromanage Doc (as evidenced by Doc's distribution of minutes and his rotations) -- I don't see him starting now with Brad

There seems to be evidence that there was some friction between Doc and Danny over who should play, with Danny wanting decisions more in line with advanced stats and Doc resistant to the idea.  Arguably, Ainge forced Doc to play Rondo by not giving him a veteran option as an alternative.

Was the roster constructed to force Stevens to see how Olynyk and Sullinger handled having to play some center?  Was Ainge dead-set on Bradley starting at PG to begin the season?  Bradley's probably the biggest reason for me doubting an all-in tank job conspiracy.  If Ainge wanted the Celtics to lose and was dictating playing time, he should have insisted Bradley stay at the point and try to learn the position via force-feeding of minutes.

[BballTim]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

  Depends on the situation. I don't think he'd say "sit player X, we're trying to lose". But I would imagine that they'd have to coordinate their efforts on some level. Danny might want him to showcase a player that he's trying to trade, play someone that he's evaluating in terms of the future, or talk about developing a young player instead of giving more minutes to an older, slightly better player who has no future with the team.

I'm sure they communicate at a high level on the direction of the team but I really don't think Danny tells Brad who to play for showcasing or player evaluations or player development.  I think Danny leaves that to Brad.  Danny didn't micromanage Doc (as evidenced by Doc's distribution of minutes and his rotations) -- I don't see him starting now with Brad

  I don't think it was much of a secret that Doc's lineups in 2007 (at least) were based on Danny's vision of the future and not on winning at all costs.

[D.o.s.]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

  Depends on the situation. I don't think he'd say "sit player X, we're trying to lose". But I would imagine that they'd have to coordinate their efforts on some level. Danny might want him to showcase a player that he's trying to trade, play someone that he's evaluating in terms of the future, or talk about developing a young player instead of giving more minutes to an older, slightly better player who has no future with the team.

If there's any reliable tanking indicator, it's the phrase "player development" being uttered by coaches as it pertains to their rotations, especially towards the second half of the season.

[erisred]

If, no when, Danny makes a trade expect it to come out of left-field and not be one that has been reported and discussed to death. Yes, it might include Bass and/or Humphries, but personally I'd expect to see something a lot more unexpected happen. Probably, something that superficially looks more like moving deck chairs around than a big step forward or backward, but eventually turns out to be a key part of something else...

That's Danny's MO.

[manl_lui]

I don't agree, Hump is expiring and actually contributing and playing smart. Bass has dropped off in which I don't mind trading.

But only trade them if the right assets comes back and not just dump them

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

#KeepHump.

He's a very good forward who can control the boards and defend the rim. He will not cost $12 per year to be resigned. And unlike Bass, he's not a black hole.

He can backup Sully and still provide rebounding.

Bass, im ready to move on.

I'm on board with all this.         Save a    " HUMP".         Dump a Bass

 

[BballTim]

I think it's safe to say that Danny is trying to move these 2 for assets, not just for the sake of making the team worse for better odds in the draft.

  I think that's more true of Bass than Hump. I think he'd talk to Brad about playing Hump less (or even worsening our draft position) before he'd trade Hump unless he was getting a good player or an expiring back.

I don't buy into Danny telling Brad who to play and why.  I think Brad plays who he thinks should play.

  Depends on the situation. I don't think he'd say "sit player X, we're trying to lose". But I would imagine that they'd have to coordinate their efforts on some level. Danny might want him to showcase a player that he's trying to trade, play someone that he's evaluating in terms of the future, or talk about developing a young player instead of giving more minutes to an older, slightly better player who has no future with the team.

If there's any reliable tanking indicator, it's the phrase "player development" being uttered by coaches as it pertains to their rotations, especially towards the second half of the season.

  Agreed. I'd add "evaluating players" to the list.

[Beat LA]

Ugh.  How about not.  I hate Noah and would loathe him as a Celtic.  I know he's talented defensively, and he can pass, but he's a punk imo, been injured a lot recently, and has no offensive game. 

That's almost the same perception that some people have of Rondo, funnily enough.

Wow.  That's pretty sad.

[Beat LA]

I have an idea.  How about this? 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kthlrqx

Ideally, I'd like to move Bass to a contender, but I'm a little stumped as to where to put him.  He's a really good guy and has been great for us.  I only wish that we could have gotten him in the 2009 offseason instead of resigning Baby.  His quickness defensively and ability to finish in traffic over size, not to mention his excellent free throw shooting, would have been a huge upgrade over Davis.  Plus, we wouldn't have had to worry about his weight, but I digress.

As for the trade, I think Jeff Green would thrive in Memphis as their tied-for-4th best player (with Courtney Lee).  Prince is getting older, and the one thing that the Grizzlies needed the most in last year's conference finals was more scoring.  Plus, he defends KD about as well as anyone and knows so much about him that just for that reason Memphis should do the deal.  It might just push them over the top, especially against OKC.  Thoughts?

Sending wallace back to Charlotte would be best for all of the parties involved imo.  He never wanted to leave there, and giving us Bismack Biyombo (who isn't really in their rotation at the moment) instead of MKG allows them to not have to completely mortgage their future to make the playoffs this year.  For us, Biyombo would at least be a nice shot blocker and offensive rebounder, whose deal is almost up.  If he doesn't work out, maybe we can package him with Prince on draft day or afterwards as both become expiring contracts.  Gordon, yes, I know he's another combo guard, but we all know how lethal he can be.  He probably won't play that much, if at all, but combine his and Humphries' salaries and it adds up to over $25m that would come off the books after this year.  It won't help us in free agency because no one will ever sign here, but at least we'll have some room.  What does everyone think?

I doubt the bobcats are going to take the wallace horrid contract so memphis can net the best player green.

plus I want no part of prince, best cutting memphis out of the deal all together i have been thinking bout green+bass for a gordon + prospect(s) (kidd/zeller/biyombo) type trade

Listen, I understand completely.  The likelihood of this idea working is, at best, minimal.  I know that Wallace's contract is like Raef's.  The only reason I thought that it could work is that MJ was dumb enough to give him that deal in the first place, and Crash does have playoff experience in Charlotte (I know it's not much, but it's the best that I can think of right now), so maybe he'd sign off on it, but I doubt it.  I don't think he'd give up Zeller, so I'd go for Biyombo.  Perhaps it should be two separate deals, then.  Prince would only be for the purpose of having another expiring contract that we could maybe package with someone else to get someone we want and/or more picks idk.   

[Beat LA]

"Injured a lot recently"... Noah has missed one game this year, just saying.

I know, he's actually been on the court this season.  I guess I was referring more to the games he's missed, lockout season aside (he only missed 2 that year), for various reasons in '10 (18), '11 (34), '13 (16).  The big injury I remember was plantar fasciitis, but I think that there was also surgery to repair ligament damage in his hand, plus, I just hate the guy haha.  I think I switched the foot and hand injuries in my head.  Sorry about that.  I don't follow his career.  At all.  That being said, he has missed a significant amount of games.  Didn't he also miss the preseason this year because of some other injury?  I don't remember.  It's just something to think about when considering him. 

[DesertDweller]

Why is everyone so intent on trading Humphries??? the guy is one of the few players producing right now!!!
how many picks would you like this team to have???
This forum is unrealistic on what you expect.
I'm dieing to see this forum's reaction when Ainge finally gets rid of the one guy who's truly holding this team back.....Jeff Green!!!