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Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2014, 08:51:35 AM »

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If Wiggins can shut down Parker (and he did) then

a) Parker isn't all that
b) Wiggins is Elite NBA defender right now

It was just one game, but it puts things in perspective. Then you can see Parker is the best player of the three TODAY and in the NCAA game. Whose game will translate better to NBA? I'd bet Wiggins and Embiid will progress faster at the pro level. The three kids will be great, any team that picks them will be right.

But if you have the chance, you have to pick Embiid. Of course, Parker and Wiggins (even Exum, too) might end with better careers than him, but Embiid is a generational talent at center. You don't pick him because you need one, you pick him because he could be an MVP center, and that's the best you can have in basketball. And yes, we have Rondo who will make him look even better. Remember Shaq in the 2010-2011? Imagine Embiid getting the ball from Rondo. Wow.

Again, sorry, but we won't be picking those top 4 or 5 players. Embrace a #8 + #19 pick combination. NbaDraft.net has the Celtics picking Aaron Gordon at #20. I think he'll be out of the table, but Saric/James Young/Cauley-Stein/Aaron Gordon might be available for our picks.

If we come out with gordon i will be thrilled. He has kirilenko in his game.

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2014, 09:57:53 AM »

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I'm not so sure about Parker.  To me he looks like a prototypical Carmello Anthony clone - an incredibly skilled and we'll rounded scorer with solid (if not outstanding) athleticism and average ability on the defensive end.

I worry he will become another one of those "me, me, me" offensive guys who puts up elite scoring numbers but is also a black hole that makes every team he plays on worse.

I actually really like Dante Exum for this team.  He has the skills to play point guard (IQ, court vision, handle, passing ability) or SG (length, moves well off the ball, good cutter, good finisher over length) which means he fits well on Tge Celtics regardless of whether or not we keep Rondo.  He has the physical gifts to one day be an elite NBA defender, and can carry his team either as a scorer or a playmaker, and he's also a very good rebounder for a guard.

If Exum adds on a bit of muscle and develops a more consistent jump shot he could be out of this world good...and even worst case, if he doesn't, I still think he's almost certain to be aFuture All Star.  A lot of people seem scared away by the fact that he's not American, so I think he could be a real sleeper.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if he drops to 6th or so and turns out to be the best player in the draft class a few years from now. 

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #77 on: January 10, 2014, 10:10:10 AM »

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I'm not so sure about Parker.  To me he looks like a prototypical Carmello Anthony clone - an incredibly skilled and we'll rounded scorer with solid (if not outstanding) athleticism and average ability on the defensive end.

I worry he will become another one of those "me, me, me" offensive guys who puts up elite scoring numbers but is also a black hole that makes every team he plays on worse.

I actually really like Dante Exum for this team.  He has the skills to play point guard (IQ, court vision, handle, passing ability) or SG (length, moves well off the ball, good cutter, good finisher over length) which means he fits well on Tge Celtics regardless of whether or not we keep Rondo.  He has the physical gifts to one day be an elite NBA defender, and can carry his team either as a scorer or a playmaker, and he's also a very good rebounder for a guard.

If Exum adds on a bit of muscle and develops a more consistent jump shot he could be out of this world good...and even worst case, if he doesn't, I still think he's almost certain to be aFuture All Star.  A lot of people seem scared away by the fact that he's not American, so I think he could be a real sleeper.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if he drops to 6th or so and turns out to be the best player in the draft class a few years from now.
Where are you watching his games this season to have such an opinion? Are you Australian? Or you just read INFO about him from his agent on mockdraft sites?)))

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #78 on: January 10, 2014, 10:46:48 AM »

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I'm not so sure about Parker.  To me he looks like a prototypical Carmello Anthony clone - an incredibly skilled and we'll rounded scorer with solid (if not outstanding) athleticism and average ability on the defensive end.

I worry he will become another one of those "me, me, me" offensive guys who puts up elite scoring numbers but is also a black hole that makes every team he plays on worse.

I actually really like Dante Exum for this team.  He has the skills to play point guard (IQ, court vision, handle, passing ability) or SG (length, moves well off the ball, good cutter, good finisher over length) which means he fits well on Tge Celtics regardless of whether or not we keep Rondo.  He has the physical gifts to one day be an elite NBA defender, and can carry his team either as a scorer or a playmaker, and he's also a very good rebounder for a guard.

If Exum adds on a bit of muscle and develops a more consistent jump shot he could be out of this world good...and even worst case, if he doesn't, I still think he's almost certain to be aFuture All Star.  A lot of people seem scared away by the fact that he's not American, so I think he could be a real sleeper.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if he drops to 6th or so and turns out to be the best player in the draft class a few years from now.
Where are you watching his games this season to have such an opinion? Are you Australian? Or you just read INFO about him from his agent on mockdraft sites?)))

I've been at shooting reports and video footage of the various options in the draft, and this is the conclusion I have cine to bed purely on what I see in terms of skill set, physical talent and reports of his attitude.

I actually am Australian, but have completely disregarded this factor when judging him onewayor the other.

Looking at Parker his biggest weaknesses are that he's not super athletic, he's not great defensively, and he struggles to score against length.  Lack of athleticism can't be taught - you either have it or you don't.  Defensive ability is usually a combination of IQ and physical gifts - again if you don't have it, you probably never will.  Inability to finish against length is something he might improve on, but there is more length in the NBA than in college.  I don't seeParker beating these limitations - they will probably sick with him.

Exum extremely physically gifted - he has elite height, length and athleticism for either guard spot.  Scouting reports also state that he has exceptional IQ and is one of the best in the draft in terms of passing skills and court vision.  He's also said to be an exceptional finisher around the basket, with his length and athleticism allowing him to finish well of over bigs with length.  Scouting reports also say that he has the physical tis tooneday be an elite NBA defender.    He's an excellent ball handler (has a great killer crossover) and is a good rebounder for a guard.  His main weaknesses are:

1. Decent (but inconsistent) form on his jumper - something that can be improved with coaching
2. Questionable sit selection at times (again, can be improved with coaching)
3. Lack of physical strength (can potentially be improved with time in theweight room)

I don't see any real flaws in his that are due to physical limitations, our that hedoesn't have potential to improve.  Even if he never develops a great jumper, lots of guys have become elite guards without one (think D Wade, D Rose, etc).

I see him becoming a Penny Hardaway (in his prime) at best or a Tyreke Evans at the absolute worst ...and if Tyreke is you're worst case than that's pretty darn good. 
     

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2014, 05:09:13 AM »

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http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2014/mockdraft

Is a nice tool.

I just played it and the Celtics won the #1 pick - Embiid.
You can thank me later if this portent of the future and we got us the next Olajuwon/Duncan. :-)

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2014, 06:32:11 AM »

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If Wiggins can shut down Parker (and he did) then

a) Parker isn't all that is an elite NBA offensive player right now.
b) Wiggins is Elite NBA defender right now shows potential to be an elite NBA defender



Fixed it for you.
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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Chad Ford: Ainge would take Parker if landed #1 pick
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2014, 07:24:03 AM »

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I would not believe a thing said about who Ainge likes or would take, the man does not show his hand often.