Green and Perkins trade revisited

[BballTim]

Some people are really never going to get over this trade, regardless of how things work out in the long run, apparently.

For me, the main reason is, Perk is a better/consistent player and plays a difficult position to occupy.  Danny since the trade has had zero luck finding a legit Center

Green on the other hand has had us fans reaching for the tylonel on a consistent basis

  The whole "Green is inconsistent" is pretty overblown. Not that Green's the most consistent player in the world or anything, just the assumption that other players on other teams *are* consistent isn't realistic.

[Timdawgg]

Some people are really never going to get over this trade, regardless of how things work out in the long run, apparently.

  It will take a while. We're finally free of the "bring back Antoine" threads, so there's hope.

I wonder if we could find some kind of role for Antoine to bring him back...sign to a one year contract and shoot some 3's...JK...

[BudweiserCeltic]

Some people are really never going to get over this trade, regardless of how things work out in the long run, apparently.

For me, the main reason is, Perk is a better/consistent player and plays a difficult position to occupy.  Danny since the trade has had zero luck finding a legit Center

Green on the other hand has had us fans reaching for the tylonel on a consistent basis

So you watch the one game (I know a bit of an exaggeration, but not that big of one) in which Perk played well this season, and from that you conclude that Perk is a consistent player and better than Green?

It's a bit amusing given that it was a game in which Green scored 19 points on 8-15 shooting, but it was Perk who had such a big impression on you.

Oh well, guess we'll have to deal with Perk irrationalities for a bit more.

[PhoSita]

Some people are really never going to get over this trade, regardless of how things work out in the long run, apparently.

For me, the main reason is, Perk is a better/consistent player and plays a difficult position to occupy.  Danny since the trade has had zero luck finding a legit Center

Perk is consistently unproductive, if that's what you mean by "consistent."

[Vermont Green]

This recent game was the best I have seen Perk play in a while.  If he kept that up, you could start to argue that he has equal value to Green.

But the trade was not Perk for Green.  The trade was Perk + Robinson for Green + Krstic + a First Round Pick.  Robinson was cut and paid a year I think at $4.5M to not play so we kind of got Green, Krstic, a First, and $4.5M for Perk.  I don't see how that can be viewed as a bad trade even if Perk does play as well as Green every once in a while.

[get_banners]

i was hoping we'd never see one of these threads again. argh. i have lots of nostalgia for perk, i really do. but perkins isn't close to the player green is. not then, not now, not in-between. the only time perk was better than green was...when green wasn't playing following heart surgery. yes, a good center is worth more than a good 3 or 4. but...perk isn't really a good center. now, perk pre-injury...you might have a discussion (i still think green contributes more than the best perk ever could, w/o the knee injury, and by a bit, but at least that's worth a discussion). but danny was smart to sense perk wouldn't really be the same player (he is a much worse player). also, perk's insane contract is largely why they dealt harden. so...yeah...ainge owned presti on that deal, and by a lot.

[jambr380]

For me, the argument begins and end with what Faf said. I get that our big man rotation became quite depleted that year (and I don't think a hobbling Perk would have changed that much), but Rondo going down was when all hopes were dashed.

[ManUp]

I didn't like the trade then and I don't like it now. I'd rather have lost Perk in free-agency then to have paid Green. I don't care that Perk sucks now, at that point in time it was a bad trade and Green hasn't made it worth while. Perk's leadership, championship experience and locker room presence did wonders for OKC. The Celtics have been soft in the middle since he left while OKC gained a little bit of grit.

Just for perspective Green is about the 3rd or 4th best player on this very weak team. Crawford, Bradley, and Sullinger have all shown more consistency agression and game changing ability this year.

[jambr380]

I didn't like the trade then and I don't like it now. I'd rather have lost Perk in free-agency then to have paid Green. I don't care that Perk sucks now, at that point in time it was a bad trade and Green hasn't made it worth while. Perk's leadership, championship experience and locker room presence did wonders for OKC. The Celtics have been soft in the middle since he left while OKC gained a little bit of grit.

Just for perspective Green is about the 3rd or 4th best player on this very weak team. Crawford, Bradley, and Sullinger have all shown more consistency agression and game changing ability this year.

The same Sullinger who is 19/69 (27.5%) in his last six games? Just because Green is under a greater microscope and greater things are expected from him does not make him the 4th best player on the team.

As a side note, I am a fan of Sully and look forward to his development, but to call Green inconsistent compared to others on this team is just picking on Green.

[2short]

I didn't like the trade then and I don't like it now. I'd rather have lost Perk in free-agency then to have paid Green. I don't care that Perk sucks now, at that point in time it was a bad trade and Green hasn't made it worth while. Perk's leadership, championship experience and locker room presence did wonders for OKC. The Celtics have been soft in the middle since he left while OKC gained a little bit of grit.

Just for perspective Green is about the 3rd or 4th best player on this very weak team. Crawford, Bradley, and Sullinger have all shown more consistency agression and game changing ability this year.

The same Sullinger who is 19/69 (27.5%) in his last six games? Just because Green is under a greater microscope and greater things are expected from him does not make him the 4th best player on the team.

As a side note, I am a fan of Sully and look forward to his development, but to call Green inconsistent compared to others on this team is just picking on Green.

Agreed I like green I like sully both have had ups and downs Crawford Bradley bass all the same.  You can argue the most consistent player so far this year is hump

[Bingbangbarros]

To Perk backers:

Are you aware that among many analysts, Perk is considered one of the worst players in the entire league? Ainge did see a decline and that's a key reason for the trade, the other was the obvious potential of Green. Perk did bring some intangibles such as toughness and intimidation but he was in my opinion an overrated defender and turnover prone on offense with little value offensively.

Green struggled to fit in during that season but I would take him over Perk any day I don't even see an argument. Green is a solid player. Perk might possibly be out of the league if not for his contract.

[TerreHaute]

I think you have to keep some things in perspective. At the time, the Celts were at an "all in" period, or should have been. With that in mind, Perk was a better fit for the Celtics at the time of the trade than Green. The Celtics were a defensive minded team that didn't need/care about Perk's offense. Their whole team was built around a defensive "attitude" that Green simply doesn't have. If the goal was to win championships with that group, then Perk was the better option to make that happen with that particular group.

Jeff Green is clearly a better player now and probably was then, but was not a better fit for the Celtics at the time.

[guava_wrench]

To Perk backers:

Are you aware that among many analysts, Perk is considered one of the worst players in the entire league? Ainge did see a decline and that's a key reason for the trade, the other was the obvious potential of Green. Perk did bring some intangibles such as toughness and intimidation but he was in my opinion an overrated defender and turnover prone on offense with little value offensively.

Green struggled to fit in during that season but I would take him over Perk any day I don't even see an argument. Green is a solid player. Perk might possibly be out of the league if not for his contract.

I am fine with the trade, but if you start year after year on a top team, it seem pointless to claim you are bad.

[sed522002]

Perk had his BEST game of the season against a team that traded him...let's not get carried away. Go check out what OKC fans think of his production. We have love for what he has done, but you need to look at what he's doing now.

[alley oop]

2 of the 3 early season losses for the Thunder were when Perk was out (do to loss of family member). The first loss was when Westbrook was out.