Is there a stat measuring picks set?

[JSD]

I think it is a useful stat and should be measured. Perhaps it is and I just don't know about it?

[BballTim]

  An aside, but does it rankle people that so many players don't know how to use picks? It kills me when a big (say Perk or KG) set a pick and the dribbler rounds the pick with 2 feet of space between them and the player who set the pick? How many fouls did those bigs get when they tried to slide out and try to pick off the defender? But, rant over, I don't think you can find a stat on that.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I saw this article a few months ago:

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/4737764/amir-johnson-screens-toronto-raptors-nba-analysis

about Amir Johnson, which tries to illustrate his pick setting impact by looking at the true shooting percentages of his team when he plays vs when he sits.  It basically gives his team a 10% shooting bonus when he's on the court.

/took me a minute to refind that article, but it's a decent read for SB Nation anyways

[JSD]

I saw this article a few months ago:

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/4737764/amir-johnson-screens-toronto-raptors-nba-analysis

about Amir Johnson, which tries to illustrate his pick setting impact by looking at the true shooting percentages of his team when he plays vs when he sits.  It basically gives his team a 10% shooting bonus when he's on the court.

/took me a minute to refind that article, but it's a decent read for SB Nation anyways

Good stuff.

Boxing out and pick setting need to be measured. It would place more value on players who do stuff that "don't show up on a box score".

[the_Bird]

I saw this article a few months ago:

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/4737764/amir-johnson-screens-toronto-raptors-nba-analysis

about Amir Johnson, which tries to illustrate his pick setting impact by looking at the true shooting percentages of his team when he plays vs when he sits.  It basically gives his team a 10% shooting bonus when he's on the court.

/took me a minute to refind that article, but it's a decent read for SB Nation anyways

Good stuff.

Boxing out and pick setting need to be measured. It would place more value on players who do stuff that "don't show up on a box score".

I can't imagine that these things *aren't* measured, but I imagine it's proprietary data.  If you were Danny Ainge, wouldn't you pay some intern ten bucks an hour to analyze how good Omer Asik is at setting picks?

[BballTim]

I saw this article a few months ago:

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/4737764/amir-johnson-screens-toronto-raptors-nba-analysis

about Amir Johnson, which tries to illustrate his pick setting impact by looking at the true shooting percentages of his team when he plays vs when he sits.  It basically gives his team a 10% shooting bonus when he's on the court.

/took me a minute to refind that article, but it's a decent read for SB Nation anyways

Good stuff.

Boxing out and pick setting need to be measured. It would place more value on players who do stuff that "don't show up on a box score".

I can't imagine that these things *aren't* measured, but I imagine it's proprietary data.  If you were Danny Ainge, wouldn't you pay some intern ten bucks an hour to analyze how good Omer Asik is at setting picks?

  I can remember the Celts talking about how Perk's picks helped the offense in fairly specific terms when he was on (or just off) the team. They didn't give any numbers, but seemed to definitely have some.

[action781]

I don't think this would be a stat worth caring about.  A pick doesn't tell you very much about a player.  It's not a hustle play or anything like that, it's just the result of what play was drawn up or called.  It would be like looking at a stat for passes or dribbles.

Tim, I agree with your gripe.  How good was Rip Hamilton at coming off of those screens nice and tight?  When a point guard is pressured though, it can be hard to get the defender right into that screen when his primary objective has to be protecting the ball.

[hwangjini_1]

I saw this article a few months ago:

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/10/4/4737764/amir-johnson-screens-toronto-raptors-nba-analysis

about Amir Johnson, which tries to illustrate his pick setting impact by looking at the true shooting percentages of his team when he plays vs when he sits.  It basically gives his team a 10% shooting bonus when he's on the court.

/took me a minute to refind that article, but it's a decent read for SB Nation anyways

Good stuff.

Boxing out and pick setting need to be measured. It would place more value on players who do stuff that "don't show up on a box score".

I can't imagine that these things *aren't* measured, but I imagine it's proprietary data.  If you were Danny Ainge, wouldn't you pay some intern ten bucks an hour to analyze how good Omer Asik is at setting picks?

good point, though i hope they pay more than that. however, the key here is what metrics would they be tracking? i imagine some things such as...

- picks attempted
- picks successful/unsuccessful (i.e. the pickee is slowed by/blows by the pick)
- picks for certain plays/players

it would be interesting to see this stuff, and as mentioned above who boxes out well.

[hwangjini_1]

I don't think this would be a stat worth caring about.  A pick doesn't tell you very much about a player.  It's not a hustle play or anything like that, it's just the result of what play was drawn up or called.  It would be like looking at a stat for passes or dribbles.

Tim, I agree with your gripe.  How good was Rip Hamilton at coming off of those screens nice and tight?  When a point guard is pressured though, it can be hard to get the defender right into that screen when his primary objective has to be protecting the ball.

good point, but i am not in complete agreement. i have seen some players who set very good picks on a consistent basis. others i see as setting moving picks often and being called for fouls.

but as you mention, the key here is whether a player actually can EXECUTE a pick as designed by a play.

[GreenWarrior]

I think it is a useful stat and should be measured. Perhaps it is and I just don't know about it?

i'm just wondering why you're asking?

because I noticed the other day, there seems to be a lot of picks being set this yr. it seems to be every teams main offense these days.

maybe i'm wrong and I haven't been paying close enough to other teams the past few yrs. but it just seems there's more picks being set.

[BballTim]

  BTW, another pick gripe? The "Jerry Sloan special pick" (my name) which they *loved* in Utah. The player setting the pick turns towards the defender he picked off and ends the pick by running in the direction of the path of the defender, so he's effectively setting a moving pick. I hate that.

[action781]

  BTW, another pick gripe? The "Jerry Sloan special pick" (my name) which they *loved* in Utah. The player setting the pick turns towards the defender he picked off and ends the pick by running in the direction of the path of the defender, so he's effectively setting a moving pick. I hate that.

Similar to the "Paul Pierce pick" where he turns his butt into the PG defender as part of a "seal" in a post up situation (at the 3 point line) where he is also effectively setting a moving pick