How good would a Jared Sullinger/Greg Monroe duo be

[rondoallaturca]

Monroe is redundant with Sully. No thanks.

[wdleehi]

Monroe seems to be an upgrade over Green. I understand he isn't a rim protector, but the toughness with Sully and him down low would be pretty killer. You then keep Olynyk as your third big and bring in a project athletic center in the draft or in free agency who can give you a solid 15 minutes of play per night.

As for the sf position, I would start Lee. I know he doesn't have ideal size, but he and Wallace could split time based on matchups. It would also solve the glut at the sg position.

This sounds good until one thinks how many elite players there are at SF.   Then it sounds real bad.


Just realized we could draft Doug McDermott and he would be solid SF.  He would really spread the floor with these two, I would worry about his D but he is smart player and good passer.  He might be right where we are picking too in the 12-15 range.

Since the Celtics would be moving a non-elite SF for a guy that could be an elite C in the future, I don't see the issue.

[Robert24]

Not as good as a Sully and Embiid duo.

But a Embiid - Sully - Monroe trio? That's going to be really good.

I'm on board with Monroe.

Sooo, how does that work? I'm not in to benching Sully.

[vjcsmoke]

I'm all aboard for a Monroe/Green swap!!  However I don't think Lee has what it takes to play SF.  We'll have to draft one in this upcoming 2014, and hope we land a top 5 pick so we can land a Jabari Parker or someone of that talent tier.

The Green for Monroe possibility just makes too much sense for both teams - Josh Smith moves to his natural pf position and Green slides in to the sf spot to provide one of the most dynamic, athletic, and talented front courts in the league.

Monroe seems to be an upgrade over Green. I understand he isn't a rim protector, but the toughness with Sully and him down low would be pretty killer. You then keep Olynyk as your third big and bring in a project athletic center in the draft or in free agency who can give you a solid 15 minutes of play per night.

[clover]

Not good enough, unfortunately.

[Celtics4ever]

Monroe is redundant with Sully. No thanks.

I'd actually take Monroe over Sullinger if given a choice.   Monroe is a better shooter, scorer and rebounder.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4260/greg-monroe

Monroe plays 6 MPG more than Jared.  With that you get one more PPG and 2 more RPG and shooting at .50% rather than .46%.  I would not miss the thee point shooting because Sully shoots a measly .28%.  Monroe is also healthier.

I think they could play together.  Both of them have nice mid range shots and can play on the post.   If you had a long shooting three it could work.   High Post and Low Post used to work real well.

The 80's Celtics had three great post players in there lineup in McHale, Parrish and Bird.  They did just fine.

[Fafnir]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Which hasn't been very good.

[Fafnir]

The 80's Celtics had three great post players in there lineup in McHale, Parrish and Bird.  They did just fine.

Basketball has changed a ton since that team was around. Illegal defense rules, hand checks, 3 point lines importance, etc.

Not to mention the biggest reason it worked well is that Bird was an MVP all over the court.

[Fafnir]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

I think Sullinger is a better fit for Monroe, allows him to be the C and play better in the paint. Sullinger is a threat when he's not in dunking distance.

Drummond has been great this year though, Drummond alone is looking to be better than Sullinger/Monroe.

[Fafnir]

Monroe seems to be an upgrade over Green. I understand he isn't a rim protector, but the toughness with Sully and him down low would be pretty killer. You then keep Olynyk as your third big and bring in a project athletic center in the draft or in free agency who can give you a solid 15 minutes of play per night.

As for the sf position, I would start Lee. I know he doesn't have ideal size, but he and Wallace could split time based on matchups. It would also solve the glut at the sg position.

This sounds good until one thinks how many elite players there are at SF.   Then it sounds real bad.


Just realized we could draft Doug McDermott and he would be solid SF.  He would really spread the floor with these two, I would worry about his D but he is smart player and good passer.  He might be right where we are picking too in the 12-15 range.

If you're concerned about elite SFs I don't get your interest in McDermott.

McDermott can't play D on college SF/PFs he's going to get eaten alive by elite SFs in the NBA. If he lasts in the league it will be as an offensive role player.

[BballTim]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

  Sullinger isn't a lesser version of Drummond, he's a different type of player. Better scorer but not the same rebounder. Another way of looking at it is to compare Monroe to Bass and consider the improvement to our lineup.

[manl_lui]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

  Sullinger isn't a lesser version of Drummond, he's a different type of player. Better scorer but not the same rebounder. Another way of looking at it is to compare Monroe to Bass and consider the improvement to our lineup.

The current duo they have is a lot stronger than a Monroe/Sully duo

Drummond anchors their defense and is definitely a better rebounder.

However, if you're talking about our side, Greg Monroe is definitely an upgrade over Bass, so yes, in that sense, GM/JS is a better duo than BB/JS

[kozlodoev]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

  Sullinger isn't a lesser version of Drummond, he's a different type of player. Better scorer but not the same rebounder. Another way of looking at it is to compare Monroe to Bass and consider the improvement to our lineup.

The problem in Detroit is not the Monroe/Drummond duo, it's the fact that trying to make a SF out of Josh Smith is asking for trouble.

[Fafnir]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

  Sullinger isn't a lesser version of Drummond, he's a different type of player. Better scorer but not the same rebounder. Another way of looking at it is to compare Monroe to Bass and consider the improvement to our lineup.

The problem in Detroit is not the Monroe/Drummond duo, it's the fact that trying to make a SF out of Josh Smith is asking for trouble.

Monroe/Drummond struggled last year too.

Monroe just doesn't work as well on defense/offense as a PF compared to his results as a C.

[jambr380]

Not as good as the Monroe and Drummond duo.

Obvious. Captain.

Underlying point (if not obvious):  Monroe and Drummond aren't exactly lighting the world on fire as a duo... so it should temper your enthusiasm for the Monroe and Sully duo.  It clearly wouldn't be as good as what the Pistons have going for them right now as-is.

  Sullinger isn't a lesser version of Drummond, he's a different type of player. Better scorer but not the same rebounder. Another way of looking at it is to compare Monroe to Bass and consider the improvement to our lineup.

The problem in Detroit is not the Monroe/Drummond duo, it's the fact that trying to make a SF out of Josh Smith is asking for trouble.

Monroe/Drummond struggled last year too.

Monroe just doesn't work as well on defense/offense as a PF compared to his results as a C.

Exactly - they are both centers and Josh Smith is a power forward. Their front court is just a bit cumbersome right now. I totally agree with what Det did (getting a very good basketball player in Josh Smith without giving up any assets), but they probably do need to streamline their line up a bit, by bringing in a talented, athletic natural sf like Green.

As for Lee at sf, I don't think it's a long term solution - more just for this year. I just don't want to see Gerald Wallace out there for 40 minutes a night while a more talented player like Lee rots on the bench (when Rondo returns).