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Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 12:34:44 PM »

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Oh, and that rule where you can't trade 1st rd picks in consecutive years is ridiculous. Teams, for better or worse, should be allowed to do what they want with their assets and it would allow a lot less restrictions involving trades.
In many ways the CBA is set up to protect owners from themselves. The Septien rule, the rule you speak of, was established because an owner traded away all his picks and decimated his franchise for a decade. He alienated the fans of that town and just about caused that franchise to think about having to move due to lack of fan support.

I'm familiar with the rule and the principal behind it. Stepien traded 1st rd picks in 5 consecutive years because he wanted to "win now", but how does that really differ from what Billy King did? The Nets swapped 1st rd picks in 2014, 15, and 17 and traded away 1st rd picks in 2014, 16, and 18. So in essence they either they either traded away a pick or devalued the only picks they have (2015 & 2017) for the next five years and now can't trade a 1st rd pick until 2020.
Its different because they still own picks in 2015 and 2017 and 2019 and because the draft is such an unknown entity that it is possible through excellent scouting to be able to get a star just about anywhere in the first round.

2012 #21 Jared Sullinger
2011 #22 Kenneth Faried
2010 #18 Eric Bledsoe
2009 #18 Ty Lawson
2008 #24 Serge Ibaka
2007 #27 Arron Afflalo

So even though the may have devalued the pick in the sense that they are not choosing higher in the draft, in essence, their chance to land a significant part of a team through the draft was not diminished since very good to star players can still be chosen late in the draft.

Keeping those picks guarantees if used that the team has some chance at an influx of young talent that could assist the team in moving forward without giving up another asset to do so. 5 straight years without a pick guarantees you don't have the chance to infuse your team with new talent unless you give up another asset to get that player.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 12:36:59 PM »

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The  Nets at least have Lopez and Williams though. That's 2 of the 3 superstars you supposedly need. When the other guys clear out and they get rid of Kidd, those two should be able to attract some good free agent talent.

I don't know. I'm beginning to question Lopez's future. Those constant foot fractures could easily end his career.

Well, you can break the same bone only so many times before doctors order you to shut down. He's getting pretty close to that.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »

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The  Nets at least have Lopez and Williams though. That's 2 of the 3 superstars you supposedly need. When the other guys clear out and they get rid of Kidd, those two should be able to attract some good free agent talent.

I don't know. I'm beginning to question Lopez's future. Those constant foot fractures could easily end his career.

Even still and if Lopez can't go, they'll have Williams and a TON of cap space going into the summer of 2016. They'll be able to attract some names I bet.

That's not to say I envy their position, but I just don't see it as dire as others do around here.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 12:44:50 PM »

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I didn't know the TE acted as a cap hold, I thought we could spend up to the cap and then use it. So essentially, that $10.5 M TE would have to be renounced before we could access that same amount in cap space. Interesting...

So what it does essentially is allows Ainge to maintain the flexibility of resigning Bradly and Crawford while still being able to absorb a player. It puts the option on the table. Ainge is a savvy dude.

I thought the TE acted as a cap hold when your'e under the cap, but were able to use it freely in order to take on added salary if over the cap. At least that's how I understood it.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2013, 02:41:45 PM »

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Oh, and that rule where you can't trade 1st rd picks in consecutive years is ridiculous. Teams, for better or worse, should be allowed to do what they want with their assets and it would allow a lot less restrictions involving trades.
In many ways the CBA is set up to protect owners from themselves. The Septien rule, the rule you speak of, was established because an owner traded away all his picks and decimated his franchise for a decade. He alienated the fans of that town and just about caused that franchise to think about having to move due to lack of fan support.

I'm familiar with the rule and the principal behind it. Stepien traded 1st rd picks in 5 consecutive years because he wanted to "win now", but how does that really differ from what Billy King did? The Nets swapped 1st rd picks in 2014, 15, and 17 and traded away 1st rd picks in 2014, 16, and 18. So in essence they either they either traded away a pick or devalued the only picks they have (2015 & 2017) for the next five years and now can't trade a 1st rd pick until 2020.
Its different because they still own picks in 2015 and 2017 and 2019 and because the draft is such an unknown entity that it is possible through excellent scouting to be able to get a star just about anywhere in the first round.

2012 #21 Jared Sullinger
2011 #22 Kenneth Faried
2010 #18 Eric Bledsoe
2009 #18 Ty Lawson
2008 #24 Serge Ibaka
2007 #27 Arron Afflalo

So even though the may have devalued the pick in the sense that they are not choosing higher in the draft, in essence, their chance to land a significant part of a team through the draft was not diminished since very good to star players can still be chosen late in the draft.

Keeping those picks guarantees if used that the team has some chance at an influx of young talent that could assist the team in moving forward without giving up another asset to do so. 5 straight years without a pick guarantees you don't have the chance to infuse your team with new talent unless you give up another asset to get that player.

except they can turn around and trade the players they draft in the years they swapped. in theory they could have already made the trade and are only actually picking to circumvent the rules, and are taking a player for another team. so you can trade away every pick you ever get if you just work around the rules.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2013, 04:55:33 PM »

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Oh, and that rule where you can't trade 1st rd picks in consecutive years is ridiculous. Teams, for better or worse, should be allowed to do what they want with their assets and it would allow a lot less restrictions involving trades.
In many ways the CBA is set up to protect owners from themselves. The Septien rule, the rule you speak of, was established because an owner traded away all his picks and decimated his franchise for a decade. He alienated the fans of that town and just about caused that franchise to think about having to move due to lack of fan support.

I'm familiar with the rule and the principal behind it. Stepien traded 1st rd picks in 5 consecutive years because he wanted to "win now", but how does that really differ from what Billy King did? The Nets swapped 1st rd picks in 2014, 15, and 17 and traded away 1st rd picks in 2014, 16, and 18. So in essence they either they either traded away a pick or devalued the only picks they have (2015 & 2017) for the next five years and now can't trade a 1st rd pick until 2020.
Its different because they still own picks in 2015 and 2017 and 2019 and because the draft is such an unknown entity that it is possible through excellent scouting to be able to get a star just about anywhere in the first round.

2012 #21 Jared Sullinger
2011 #22 Kenneth Faried
2010 #18 Eric Bledsoe
2009 #18 Ty Lawson
2008 #24 Serge Ibaka
2007 #27 Arron Afflalo

So even though the may have devalued the pick in the sense that they are not choosing higher in the draft, in essence, their chance to land a significant part of a team through the draft was not diminished since very good to star players can still be chosen late in the draft.

Keeping those picks guarantees if used that the team has some chance at an influx of young talent that could assist the team in moving forward without giving up another asset to do so. 5 straight years without a pick guarantees you don't have the chance to infuse your team with new talent unless you give up another asset to get that player.

What's funny about this is it shows how awful GMs around the league can be from multiple angles.  The league had to make a rule that you can't trade consecutive picks in a row because of bad GMs like Isiah single handedly destroying their team's future, but even if you have a really bad pick it can pan it out because of bad GMs like Isiah picking ahead of you.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2013, 04:57:05 PM »

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What's funny about this is it shows how awful GMs around the league can be from multiple angles.  The league had to make a rule that you can't trade consecutive picks in a row because of bad GMs like Isiah single handedly destroying their team's future, but even if you have a really bad pick it can pan it out because of bad GMs like Isiah picking ahead of you.
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Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 08:27:14 AM »

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Oh, and that rule where you can't trade 1st rd picks in consecutive years is ridiculous. Teams, for better or worse, should be allowed to do what they want with their assets and it would allow a lot less restrictions involving trades.
I like the rule due to GMs that make desperation moves to save their jobs. Sometimes it is better for the league to just make restrictions.

It's a pretty nice privilege to have a great front office. Ainge doesn't have to look over his back every time he makes a move and can be ballsy.

Re: The trade exception (TE) and how it will be used.
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 10:19:26 AM »

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I think the trade exception will be used to acquire a FA in the offseason via sign and trade.
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