Top 10 PGs this season?

[syfy9]

(Add where you see Rondo being as well)

1. Chris Paul
2. Stephen Curry
3. Damian Lillard
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Kyrie Irving
6. John Wall
7. Eric Bledsoe
(2012/2013 Rondo would be here)
8. Tony Parker
9. Isaiah Thomas
10. Mike Conley

Ty Lawson, Kemba Walker, Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Michael Carter-Williams, Goran Dragic, Kyle Lowry, and Jrue Holiday are also playing at a top 10 PG level...it's safe to say this is the golden age of point guards.

[AB_Celtic]

It's unfortunate how underrated Ty Lawson is in the NBA. And I think it's mostly because of his height.

My list...
1. Paul
2. Westbrook
(Healthy Rose)
3. Parker
4. Curry
(Healthy Rondo)
5. Lillard
6. Lawson
7. Conley
8. Irving
9. Bledsoe
10. Wall

[D.o.s.]

I don't like quantifying, but at peak health;

Rondo
Rose
Parker
Westbrook
Paul

are on one plateau.

Wall
Irving
Curry
Lawson
Conley
Lillard
Rubio
Jennings
Walker

are on a slightly smaller one. Consider it a malleable difference between Very Good and Good.

Bledsoe, Lowry, George Hill, Holiday, Walker etc. make up the "perfectly serviceable" rung below that... and somewhere near the bottom is Kendall Marshall.

[syfy9]

Curry's current averages are -

24 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 9.2 apg, 2 spg, and 3.3 threes at .456 FG% and .874 FT%

Statistically speaking (and I know that's not all of the picture), I think only CP3 is playing better.

[fitzhickey]

1. CP3
(Healthy Rose)
2. Stephen Curry
3. Westbrook
4.Parker
(Healthy Rondo)
5. Lillard
6. Irving
7. Lawson
8a. Wall
8b. Bledsoe
10. Conley

After 5 they're all nearly interchangeable

[guava_wrench]

1. CP3
(Healthy Rose)
2. Stephen Curry
3. Westbrook
4.Parker
(Healthy Rondo)
5. Lillard
6. Irving
7. Lawson
8a. Wall
8b. Bledsoe
10. Conley

After 5 they're all nearly interchangeable

Rose was healthy at the start of the season, and he wasn't good.

Did the OP mean top 10 PGs as of today, regardless of performance this season?

[fitzhickey]

1. CP3
(Healthy Rose)
2. Stephen Curry
3. Westbrook
4.Parker
(Healthy Rondo)
5. Lillard
6. Irving
7. Lawson
8a. Wall
8b. Bledsoe
10. Conley

After 5 they're all nearly interchangeable

Rose was healthy at the start of the season, and he wasn't good.

Did the OP mean top 10 PGs as of today, regardless of performance this season?

I meant last time he was in proper form, so basically disregarding this year. If it's this season alone then Rose would be out of the top ten.

[TwinTower14]

1. CP3
(Healthy Rose)
2. Stephen Curry
3. Westbrook
4.Parker
(Healthy Rondo)
5. Lillard
6. Irving
7. Lawson
8a. Wall
8b. Bledsoe
10. Conley

After 5 they're all nearly interchangeable

Rose was healthy at the start of the season, and he wasn't good.

Did the OP mean top 10 PGs as of today, regardless of performance this season?

I meant last time he was in proper form, so basically disregarding this year. If it's this season alone then Rose would be out of the top ten.

To me CP3 is the best and then there is everyone else. So here is my list assuming that everyone is healthy.   

1 - CP3
2- Curry
3- Westbrook
4- Parker
5- John Wall
6 - Irving
7- Rondo
8- Rose
9- Deron Williams
10- Ty Lawson

[CelticsFan9]

1.  Chris Paul - Without question, the best point guard in the NBA.  He has continued his greatness this season.

2.  Steph Curry - He's carried his play in last year's playoffs over to this season.

3.  Russell Westbrook - Looks like he hasn't missed a beat.

4.  Damian Lillard - He's surpassed my expectations.  His fearlessness and scoring ability have been a joy to watch.

5.  Tony Parker - He continues to just consistently perform night after night, season after season.

6.  Ty Lawson - He's been terrific this year.  Despite all the changes around him from last year, he's improved as both a scorer and a playmaker.

7.  John Wall - He is living up to his contract, which is good news for Wizards fans.

8.  Eric Bledsoe/Goran Dragic - They are a two-headed monster in the backcourt, and I enjoy watching them.  I actually felt like this pairing could've worked before the season, but I did I not anticipate that they -- along with the brilliant coaching job by Hornacek -- would turn the team into a winner.

9.  Jeff Teague - He's been under the radar this year, quietly running the show for an underrated Hawks team.

10.  Kemba Walker - I would've given this last spot to Kyrie Irving, but he looks like relatively the same player.  Kemba, on the other hand, has improved from last year, particularly on the defensive end.  His outside shooting has been better as well.

[mgent]

1. Paul
2. Curry
3. Parker
4. Westbrook
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5. Irving
6. Wall
7. Lillard
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8. Holiday
9. Conley
10. Lawson

Currently on the edge:  Dragic/Bledsoe, George Hill, Jose Calderon

I gotta say, ranking them now is much harder than 2 years ago.  The young guys (Irving, Lillard, and Wall) are all a complete wash until we see what they're really capable of.  The former two seem to be on the Steph Curry path (keep flinging shots until they love you) while Wall is relentless enough to become a Tony Parker.

Don't hate me for putting the honorable mention guys over Teague and Lowry.  They are both volume scorers who fell onto teams that needed a volume scorer.  Guaranteed to take 15-20 shots every game, plus they have great finishers to dump it to when they get in the paint.  I'd rather have a guy like Calderon who is much better at creating and scores his 12 points more efficiently than anyone else on that list not named Parker.  Or George Hill who runs the best team in the league and actually plays defense (on the best defensive team).  It's also worth noting how much Dallas and Phoenix are overachieving, with MUCH worse players than ATL and TOR.

Edit:  Oh, and give Deron Williams a month or two of being completely healthy and he can fly back up the standings in a heartbeat.

[CelticG1]

Cp3  gets a pass for some reason.  He's a great fantasy player but he's gotta do something when it matters or it doesn't really do it for me.

If they get blown out of the playoffs again this year he'll be finally due for some criticism 

[nickagneta]

1. Chris Paul - ball handling, defense, passing, scoring, leadership, he brings the whole package]

2, Russell Westbrook - the epitome of the shoot first PG and he does it better than any other shoot first PG out there.

3. Steph Curry - his numbers, especially shooting numbers say he belongs here but PGs need to take care of the ball as well and over 4 TOs per game could send him farther down the list if it continues

4. Tony Parker - just all around a minor step below CP3 as the best all around game that a PG has.

5. Deron Williams - as his foot gets better Deron Williams is starting to look more and more like the PG of late last year and the guy that played basketball in Utah. Tes, he's this good.

6. Damian Lillard - currently running probably the most PG centric offense in the league and scoring at an unreal pace. His defense, which all of the above play very well, holds him back from a top five position.

7. Kyrie Irving - has taken a step back this year and his defense has been abysmal but he is still a stellar all around talent that I believe will bounce back. Great leadership skills.

8. John Wall - he is stuffing great numbers on a poor Washington team and I am not crazy about ranking him this high because of that but Cleveland isn't much better so a rung behind Irving is about right

9. Ty Lawson - Lawson gets criminally under-rated in this league because of his size but his shooting and passing and floor general abilities are elite. He can be a pest on defense but his size really does hold him back from going any higher on this list because it seriously effects his defense when teams pull 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5 switches on him

10. Mike Conley - just a tough as nails PG that can do everything you want from a pG(running an offense, passing, defense, shooting, scoring, leadership) very well but does nothing elite.

EDIT: A healthy Rondo belongs somewhere around 3-6 depending on his shooting. If his mid range jumper is falling and he gets his FT shooting above 70% probably #3 because he is the best passer and floor general in the game with outstanding leadership abilities. If the shot isn't falling and his FT shooting hasn't improved probably somewhere around #6.

[mgent]

1. Chris Paul - ball handling, defense, passing, scoring, leadership, he brings the whole package]

2, Russell Westbrook - the epitome of the shoot first PG and he does it better than any other shoot first PG out there.

3. Steph Curry - his numbers, especially shooting numbers say he belongs here but PGs need to take care of the ball as well and over 4 TOs per game could send him farther down the list if it continues

4. Tony Parker - just all around a minor step below CP3 as the best all around game that a PG has.

5. Deron Williams - as his foot gets better Deron Williams is starting to look more and more like the PG of late last year and the guy that played basketball in Utah. Tes, he's this good.

6. Damian Lillard - currently running probably the most PG centric offense in the league and scoring at an unreal pace. His defense, which all of the above play very well, holds him back from a top five position.

7. Kyrie Irving - has taken a step back this year and his defense has been abysmal but he is still a stellar all around talent that I believe will bounce back. Great leadership skills.

8. John Wall - he is stuffing great numbers on a poor Washington team and I am not crazy about ranking him this high because of that but Cleveland isn't much better so a rung behind Irving is about right

9. Ty Lawson - Lawson gets criminally under-rated in this league because of his size but his shooting and passing and floor general abilities are elite. He can be a pest on defense but his size really does hold him back from going any higher on this list because it seriously effects his defense when teams pull 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5 switches on him

10. Mike Conley - just a tough as nails PG that can do everything you want from a pG(running an offense, passing, defense, shooting, scoring, leadership) very well but does nothing elite.

EDIT: A healthy Rondo belongs somewhere around 3-6 depending on his shooting. If his mid range jumper is falling and he gets his FT shooting above 70% probably #3 because he is the best passer and floor general in the game with outstanding leadership abilities. If the shot isn't falling and his FT shooting hasn't improved probably somewhere around #6.

If that happens how could Rondo be below Westbrook, he'd probably average 17-10.  I couldn't imagine what Rondo would look like if he wasn't constantly scared to go into the paint and get to the line, but I know he'd look better than Westbrook.  And if his mid-range is falling then he's basically equal to Westbrook in that regard who's back to his career 30% 3PT (and 42%FG).

The way I see it Curry and Parker are both pass first PGs who also do what Westbrook does better than him.  He scores the same as Curry and 2 points more than Parker but does so on 46%eFG and 52%TS compared to Curry's 54%eFG/59%TS and Parker's 52%eFG/55%TS.  Those are all within 1% of their career numbers as well.

You also focus on Curry's 3.9 TOs per game, but that's not as bad as Westbrook does in 4.5 less minutes and with 2.3 less assists (Parker absolutely destroys Westbrook in this category with 2.3 TO per game).

[nickagneta]

1. Chris Paul - ball handling, defense, passing, scoring, leadership, he brings the whole package]

2, Russell Westbrook - the epitome of the shoot first PG and he does it better than any other shoot first PG out there.

3. Steph Curry - his numbers, especially shooting numbers say he belongs here but PGs need to take care of the ball as well and over 4 TOs per game could send him farther down the list if it continues

4. Tony Parker - just all around a minor step below CP3 as the best all around game that a PG has.

5. Deron Williams - as his foot gets better Deron Williams is starting to look more and more like the PG of late last year and the guy that played basketball in Utah. Tes, he's this good.

6. Damian Lillard - currently running probably the most PG centric offense in the league and scoring at an unreal pace. His defense, which all of the above play very well, holds him back from a top five position.

7. Kyrie Irving - has taken a step back this year and his defense has been abysmal but he is still a stellar all around talent that I believe will bounce back. Great leadership skills.

8. John Wall - he is stuffing great numbers on a poor Washington team and I am not crazy about ranking him this high because of that but Cleveland isn't much better so a rung behind Irving is about right

9. Ty Lawson - Lawson gets criminally under-rated in this league because of his size but his shooting and passing and floor general abilities are elite. He can be a pest on defense but his size really does hold him back from going any higher on this list because it seriously effects his defense when teams pull 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5 switches on him

10. Mike Conley - just a tough as nails PG that can do everything you want from a pG(running an offense, passing, defense, shooting, scoring, leadership) very well but does nothing elite.

EDIT: A healthy Rondo belongs somewhere around 3-6 depending on his shooting. If his mid range jumper is falling and he gets his FT shooting above 70% probably #3 because he is the best passer and floor general in the game with outstanding leadership abilities. If the shot isn't falling and his FT shooting hasn't improved probably somewhere around #6.

If that happens how could Rondo be below Westbrook, he'd probably average 17-10.  I couldn't imagine what Rondo would look like if he wasn't constantly scared to go into the paint and get to the line, but I know he'd look better than Westbrook.  And if his mid-range is falling then he's basically equal to Westbrook in that regard who's back to his career 30% 3PT (and 42%FG).

The way I see it Curry and Parker are both pass first PGs who also do what Westbrook does better than him.  He scores the same as Curry and 2 points more than Parker but does so on 46%eFG and 52%TS compared to Curry's 54%eFG/59%TS and Parker's 52%eFG/55%TS.  Those are all within 1% of their career numbers as well.

You also focus on Curry's 3.9 TOs per game, but that's not as bad as Westbrook does in 4.5 less minutes and with 2.3 less assists (Parker absolutely destroys Westbrook in this category with 2.3 TO per game).

Rondo's mid range jumper has been falling for a couple years now at a very good rate. If he gets his FT% just 5-7 points higher it would be great. But he still doesn't look to score as much as sometimes is needed and passes up many layups for the shot at a three pointer with a pass. For that he gets downgraded IMHO.

Curry is lower than Westbrook because Westbrook has always had TO problems but it hasn't effected the OKC team that much in the win column whereas Curry's problems this year seem to have filtered out to the whole team and are having a major impact on the Warriors in the win loss area. Curry is better than the 4 TOs per game that he is putting up. 4 TOs per game is just what you get with Westbrook.