NBA proposal to replace lottery with "draft wheel" (Lowe article)

[Celtics4ever]

Anything easier to rig for teams with the new arenas....

[Birdman]

Anything easier to rig for teams with the new arenas....

yes and also big market teams..like how Stern "help" Chicago get Rose,T-Blazers get Oden, Knicks got Ewing among others

[rasta1]

The only real way for the NBA to achieve parity is

Don't limit player salaries [the fact that they do this like baseball does with the reserve/arbitration periods is ridiculous since the NBA has much lower player development costs. MLB needs the limit on salaries for the first few years because they spend so much money developing players, they can't just have them leave and get little compensation in return]; at the same time throw in more revenue sharing. I think the NBA is only has 20% revenue sharing. Although revenue sharing leads to lower winning incentives, it does depress player salaries a bit so that we don't have teams pay players 80% of the cap and then screw themselves over.


Implement a hard cap [the NFL and NHL have the most parity of any of the major sports leagues and they have hard caps]



Also i dislike how the NBA had a 1-30; 1-30 draft system for the two rounds instead of a 1-30; 30-1 draft with the worst team having the 1st and 60th overall picks

[obnoxiousmime]

Anything easier to rig for teams with the new arenas....

yes and also big market teams..like how Stern "help" Chicago get Rose,T-Blazers get Oden, Knicks got Ewing among others

I never heard any conspiracy theories about the Oden lottery. Why would the league want the Trailblazers to have the first pick? Portland is not exactly the biggest market, not to mention they already had two promising young stars in Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. Wouldn't it have made more sense to spread the wealth around to other bad teams in even bigger markets? LIKE SAY BOSTON!

[apc]

What i think the NBA is missing is a secondary league.
smiler to what most other countries have.
so the worst team (or few teams)will be reduced to the secondary league. while the best teams in the secondary move up to the NBA.

This way a tanking team may get a good draft pick, but they still think twice before tanking and being reduced to the secondary league.

 

[Tr1boy]

Wheel idea is crazy and complex. To the avg fan it is a turnoff. For the nba the pre draft excitement is gone.

I have a better idea. The first 5 picks (fab five), can be chosen by any team that has a 1st round pick. So if you have two firsts, you have a better chance to get a top 5 pick vs a worse record team. But when all top 5 picks are gone, you got back to the order from worse to best. Meaning the worse pick the worse record team can pick is 6th. This should minimize tanking and increase hope to do better

[aingeforthree]

Haven't done the math, and we obviously don't know how the Clippers and Nets will fair going forward, but with 9 first round picks in the next 5 years, would the draft wheel be of better help than the current system ?

[tstorey_97]

Keep the current system with a rule mentioned earlier in this thread. You get your lottery pick and that is all you get. Nobody gets a top ten pick two years in a row. #1 overall drops to #30 the next year #2 drops to #29 etc. The fans need a shot at the top pick every year? What fans? Get your management and ownership to get it together. Teams that are lousy forever should be sent to Turkey to play.

This year's Utah/76'ers sh*& is garbage. Curtis Painter lost all the games so the Colts can get Luck, it is dishonest.

The pro leagues should penalize teams that tank. It is a product. Tanking is an inferior product. Penalize them. Here's you number one overall Philadelphia! By the way? Next year? You can suck again all you want, you just get the #30.

(I am sure this plan is a fail also...I suggested it to illustrate my dislike of tanking...BTW, the Celtics have done it plenty of times not always the "in your face" style...)

[obnoxiousmime]

Haven't done the math, and we obviously don't know how the Clippers and Nets will fair going forward, but with 9 first round picks in the next 5 years, would the draft wheel be of better help than the current system ?

The proposed system wouldn't be incorporated until all current traded picks are expended, possibly a decade from now. Also, if the wheel system were in place and draft order was preordained, contending teams would be less likely to trade their future low picks in the first place.

[guava_wrench]

Anything easier to rig for teams with the new arenas....

yes and also big market teams..like how Stern "help" Chicago get Rose,T-Blazers get Oden, Knicks got Ewing among others

I never heard any conspiracy theories about the Oden lottery. Why would the league want the Trailblazers to have the first pick? Portland is not exactly the biggest market, not to mention they already had two promising young stars in Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. Wouldn't it have made more sense to spread the wealth around to other bad teams in even bigger markets? LIKE SAY BOSTON!

Making sense is irrelevant to conspiracy theorists. They have their conclusion and will assume all data supports it.

[guava_wrench]

One thing we will see with this wheel:

Imagine Toronto is #1 and Milw is #2 this year, and LA is #1 and NY is #2 next year (and let's suppose they have good teams in this alternative universe). If a superstar like Lebron or Duncan is eligible for the draft this year, maybe he waits a year to end up in LA.

Likewise, if LA is #1 this year and NY #2, while Tor is #1 next year and Milwaukee #2, and Duncan is finishing his junior year, Duncan comes out a year earlier instead of finishing his 4 years.

Or imagine the #1 team is coming off a championship. We would probably see the same. Or suppose this years champ is next years #1. Perhaps we see someone wait. Or this years worst team is #1 while a team with a good complimentary player is #1 next year? Lebron or Duncan waits.

It is likely that there aren't many players who are going to be affected by this, but I can definitely see this become a factor for the potential #1 guys.

[pokeKingCurtis]

One thing we will see with this wheel:

Imagine Toronto is #1 and Milw is #2 this year, and LA is #1 and NY is #2 next year (and let's suppose they have good teams in this alternative universe). If a superstar like Lebron or Duncan is eligible for the draft this year, maybe he waits a year to end up in LA.

Likewise, if LA is #1 this year and NY #2, while Tor is #1 next year and Milwaukee #2, and Duncan is finishing his junior year, Duncan comes out a year earlier instead of finishing his 4 years.

Or imagine the #1 team is coming off a championship. We would probably see the same. Or suppose this years champ is next years #1. Perhaps we see someone wait. Or this years worst team is #1 while a team with a good complimentary player is #1 next year? Lebron or Duncan waits.

It is likely that there aren't many players who are going to be affected by this, but I can definitely see this become a factor for the potential #1 guys.

The NFL also holds a fixed draft, right?

I've read (in a comment in response to the draft wheel) that players in the NFL get drafted first, to prevent injuries and the unexpected, then demand a trade.

[obnoxiousmime]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/12/c_s_danny_ainge_no_fan_of_losing

The proposed wheel draft was the brainchild of Boston assistant GM Mike Zarren.

What I take from this article is 1) Ainge is still hoping for lottery luck this summer and 2) Boston continues to have smart guys in their front office that think outside the box. Daryl Morey used to work for Boston and Phoenix's GM Sean McDonough (Will's son) was a scout and assistant GM under Ainge.

As front offices become smarter and more competent there's going to be less and less undisciplined teams with bad owners out there to take advantage of. The Knicks and Nets cupboards are already almost bare after the Hawks, Celtics, Blazers, and Raptors/Nuggets got the better of them.

[cltc5]

Just do it like the lottery.  Suck the balls through the tube and whomever comes first gets the top pick.  Read that however you want

[Global Celtic]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/12/c_s_danny_ainge_no_fan_of_losing

The proposed wheel draft was the brainchild of Boston assistant GM Mike Zarren.

What I take from this article is 1) Ainge is still hoping for lottery luck this summer and 2) Boston continues to have smart guys in their front office that think outside the box. Daryl Morey used to work for Boston and Phoenix's GM Sean McDonough (Will's son) was a scout and assistant GM under Ainge.

As front offices become smarter and more competent there's going to be less and less undisciplined teams with bad owners out there to take advantage of. The Knicks and Nets cupboards are already almost bare after the Hawks, Celtics, Blazers, and Raptors/Nuggets got the better of them.

So basically Zach Lowe (like the guy) stole Mike Zarren's idea and wrote a column?