Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

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Tomorrow, no?

I think the most logical DIRECT deal remains:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mw9cwub

BOS trades: Bass, Vitor, Brooks (filler), Clippers 2015 1st
HOU trades: Asik, Smith, Covington (filler)

Works re: lux tax for Cs. As all know by now, I'm a big Smith fan, but some may argue for Montejunas or Jones. Regardless:

~ I don't the Rockets accepting Bass and Vitor alone for Asik

~ I don't see the Cs accepting Asik alone for Bass, Vitor and the Clips pick, thus the inclusion of one young bench player.

Regarding other options, I don't see Houston wanting Lee, and I don't see the Cs giving up Green for Asik straight-up.

[kozlodoev]

Do we need to have a separate thread every time someone decides they have a radically groundbreaking post to make about Omer Asik? That's getting a bit annoying already.

[Evantime34]

I thought the deadline was the 19th? so I assume they have until Thursday at midnight

[kozlodoev]

I thought the deadline was the 19th? so I assume they have until Thursday at midnight

Or they can just trade him at any time to a team that doesn't plan to move him prior to the trade deadline

[Lucky17]

I thought the deadline was the 19th? so I assume they have until Thursday at midnight

Or they can just trade him at any time to a team that doesn't plan to move him prior to the trade deadline

Yeah, this "deadline" is self-imposed by the Rockets; anyone acquired by Dec 19 can be moved again with other pieces just before this year's trade deadline.

Houston will just as easily let the "deadline" pass if they don't get what they want.

[Smokeeye123]

Houston would want more than Bass for Asik...although idk what other offers theyre getting. Id be fine with throwing in Lee since we'd still have rondo, crawford, bradley, bogans, and brooks...

[SHAQATTACK]

I..better or worst .......no idea of what actual assets involved to be sent to Houston........that's Danny s call

Somehow gut feeling is Asik is likely to be a Celtic 

[esel1000]

This is from a poster on the realgm Celtics forum. No clue on his credentials or those of his sources (i.e if he's been accurate in the past). But it is interesting and something I could see happening

Re: Omer Asik Trade
by ddb on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:27 pm

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

[Birdman]

I believe the Rockets will trade Asik to Atlanta for Paul Millsap..Houston would have a very good starting 5

C--Dwight Howard
PF-Paul Millsap
SF-Chandler Parsons
SG-James Harden
PG-Jeremy Lin

[Lucky17]

If Humphries, Bogans, Brooks, and the 2015 LAC 1st can get Asik, sign me up.

This is what the deal would look like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n34ne2f

I believe this would create another large trade exception for the Celtics, considering the amount of payroll they are sending out compared to Asik's incoming salary.

[j804]

This is from a poster on the realgm Celtics forum. No clue on his credentials or those of his sources (i.e if he's been accurate in the past). But it is interesting and something I could see happening

Re: Omer Asik Trade
by ddb on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:27 pm

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

I'm totally down with this....but don't think Houston would

[pokeKingCurtis]

Houston has problems with that trade?

I'd have thought the 6ers would be the ones with the problem.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I would love it if Houston became a ridiculously fun team to watch and ATL took a small step back, thus making our secondary lottery ticket a little better

[LarBrd33]

This is from a poster on the realgm Celtics forum. No clue on his credentials or those of his sources (i.e if he's been accurate in the past). But it is interesting and something I could see happening

Re: Omer Asik Trade
by ddb on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:27 pm

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

Nice piece of fan fiction from Crotor.

[saltlover]

If Humphries, Bogans, Brooks, and the 2015 LAC 1st can get Asik, sign me up.

This is what the deal would look like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n34ne2f

I believe this would create another large trade exception for the Celtics, considering the amount of payroll they are sending out compared to Asik's incoming salary.

Obviously this deal isn't happening (although I can dream!), but yes, it would create tons of trade exceptions for the C's.  Essentially they would use the exception from Pierce to absorb Asik's contract, and then gain three new exceptions for Hump, Bogans, and Brooks, which would expire a year after the trade was completed (so next December if completed this week).