Rumor: Charlotte has Michael Kidd-Gilchrist "on the table"?

[Moranis]

TRB% - MKG 12.5, JG 9.1
AST% - MKG 9.0, JG 8.2
BLK% - MKG 2.7, JG 1.5

Both are career 47% shooters from 2 point range, have a similar STL% and similar PER's (though MKG is a bit better).  Green is obviously a better outside shooter (and is slightly better at the line), but that is more his game than MKG who doesn't shoot hardly any three pointers.

MKG is in his 2nd year on a bad team.  JG is in his 6th year and has generally played with much better players, better coaches, and better situations on the whole. 

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.  Green is a better player at the moment (and he should be), but in a year or two he won't be and pretty much every year after that.  Trading JG for MKG straight up is a steal for Boston.

[Fafnir]

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.

No one said this.

47% from two point range is deceptive when one doesn't hit shots outside of 3 feet from the rim. They're AST% are close and his TOV% is worse, not that AST% is a great measure of passing anyways especially on low usage guys.

Like I said he has zero offensive game, until he figures that out he's going to be limited and I don't really want to trade for that sort of project.

[LarBrd33]

TRB% - MKG 12.5, JG 9.1
AST% - MKG 9.0, JG 8.2
BLK% - MKG 2.7, JG 1.5

Both are career 47% shooters from 2 point range, have a similar STL% and similar PER's (though MKG is a bit better).  Green is obviously a better outside shooter (and is slightly better at the line), but that is more his game than MKG who doesn't shoot hardly any three pointers.

MKG is in his 2nd year on a bad team.  JG is in his 6th year and has generally played with much better players, better coaches, and better situations on the whole. 

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.  Green is a better player at the moment (and he should be), but in a year or two he won't be and pretty much every year after that.  Trading JG for MKG straight up is a steal for Boston.

Agreed.

Plus, MKG is still just 20 years old.  NOWHERE near his prime. He could be an all-star some day.  He will probably be an elite defender.

Jeff Green is 27.  He is what he is... solid starter who is paid a lot of money.  He'll never be an all-star.

Doubtful you could get a bluechip prospect like MKG without giving up a lot more assets than merely Jeff Green, though.

[Moranis]

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.

No one said this.

47% from two point range is deceptive when one doesn't hit shots outside of 3 feet from the rim. They're AST% are close and his TOV% is worse, not that AST% is a great measure of passing anyways especially on low usage guys.

Like I said he has zero offensive game, until he figures that out he's going to be limited and I don't really want to trade for that sort of project.

Well MKG is 73% from the line so he has some nice touch.  He is 20 years old on a bad team, with bad teammates, and bad coaching.  Rondo shot 43.2% from 2 point range his rookie year, yet has made great strides and he has never had the nice foul shooting stroke that MKG has. 

MKG's per 36 thus are are 12.5 points, 8 boards, and 2 assists.  Certainly not great, but not awful either for a very raw 20 year old in a bad situation.  He is an incredible athlete that clearly has the skills to become an all star level player and certainly has a much higher ceiling than Jeff Green, who is who he is at this point.

[CFAN38]

not a celtic trade but I could see somthing like this

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lape383

between the bobcats and Phili, depending on what happens with Asik.

Bobcats get Young and Turner

Phili gets MKG, Gordan and Biyombo

Phili gets young off the books and adds to cheap young pieces. The bobcats become a talented offensive unit that will just have to outscore teams.

[Fafnir]

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.

No one said this.

47% from two point range is deceptive when one doesn't hit shots outside of 3 feet from the rim. They're AST% are close and his TOV% is worse, not that AST% is a great measure of passing anyways especially on low usage guys.

Like I said he has zero offensive game, until he figures that out he's going to be limited and I don't really want to trade for that sort of project.

Well MKG is 73% from the line so he has some nice touch.  He is 20 years old on a bad team, with bad teammates, and bad coaching.  Rondo shot 43.2% from 2 point range his rookie year, yet has made great strides and he has never had the nice foul shooting stroke that MKG has. 

MKG's per 36 thus are are 12.5 points, 8 boards, and 2 assists.  Certainly not great, but not awful either for a very raw 20 year old in a bad situation.  He is an incredible athlete that clearly has the skills to become an all star level player and certainly has a much higher ceiling than Jeff Green, who is who he is at this point.

Rondo had an offensive game as a rookie and a position at PG on offense. Right now MKG is a SF who can't shoot or dribble, that's a huge problem.

At age 22 Luc Mbah a Mute averaged 10 points, 8 boards, 1.5 assists per 36 as well. Also shot 46% from 2P and 73% from the line. MKG is only 20 so that means he is more likely to develop than Mbah a Mute, but the signs aren't good. Mbah a Mute never developed any sort of offensive game, because of that he can't be more than a role player.

Being an incredible athlete is great, but it doesn't mean much if you can't play offense at all.

[kozlodoev]

TRB% - MKG 12.5, JG 9.1
AST% - MKG 9.0, JG 8.2
BLK% - MKG 2.7, JG 1.5

Both are career 47% shooters from 2 point range, have a similar STL% and similar PER's (though MKG is a bit better).  Green is obviously a better outside shooter (and is slightly better at the line), but that is more his game than MKG who doesn't shoot hardly any three pointers.

MKG is in his 2nd year on a bad team.  JG is in his 6th year and has generally played with much better players, better coaches, and better situations on the whole. 

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.  Green is a better player at the moment (and he should be), but in a year or two he won't be and pretty much every year after that.  Trading JG for MKG straight up is a steal for Boston.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think that just because MKG can be somewhat better than his production suggests, trading him for Green is a "steal".

Hint: In today's NBA, swingmen who can't make a jump shot typically don't fare well.

[Moranis]

I think you guys are kidding yourself into think Green is the second coming while MKG is terrible.

No one said this.

47% from two point range is deceptive when one doesn't hit shots outside of 3 feet from the rim. They're AST% are close and his TOV% is worse, not that AST% is a great measure of passing anyways especially on low usage guys.

Like I said he has zero offensive game, until he figures that out he's going to be limited and I don't really want to trade for that sort of project.

Well MKG is 73% from the line so he has some nice touch.  He is 20 years old on a bad team, with bad teammates, and bad coaching.  Rondo shot 43.2% from 2 point range his rookie year, yet has made great strides and he has never had the nice foul shooting stroke that MKG has. 

MKG's per 36 thus are are 12.5 points, 8 boards, and 2 assists.  Certainly not great, but not awful either for a very raw 20 year old in a bad situation.  He is an incredible athlete that clearly has the skills to become an all star level player and certainly has a much higher ceiling than Jeff Green, who is who he is at this point.

Rondo had an offensive game as a rookie and a position at PG on offense. Right now MKG is a SF who can't shoot or dribble, that's a huge problem.

At age 22 Luc Mbah a Mute averaged 10 points, 8 boards, 1.5 assists per 36 as well. Also shot 46% from 2P and 73% from the line. MKG is only 20 so that means he is more likely to develop than Mbah a Mute, but the signs aren't good. Mbah a Mute never developed any sort of offensive game, because of that he can't be more than a role player.

Being an incredible athlete is great, but it doesn't mean much if you can't play offense at all.

And Jeff Green as a 21 year old rookie averaged 13.4, 6.1, and 1.9 per 36 shot 44.4% from 2PT range and 74.4% from the line. 

I'm not sure I see your point.

[ssspence]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

[kozlodoev]

And Jeff Green as a 21 year old rookie averaged 13.4, 6.1, and 1.9 per 36 shot 44.4% from 2PT range and 74.4% from the line. 

I'm not sure I see your point.

I'm sure you consider playing on two 20-win teams under PJ Carlesimo a "great situation".

[Donoghus]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

I'd agree with this.  What real purpose would he serve for the Celtics at this point.   And at the expense of Green to boot.  As much as I have issues with Green, he's a better fit with this current group than a guy like MKG. 

MKG would be a great glue guy for a veteran-laden contender. Not for a young, rebuilding upstart team like the Celtics.

[Fafnir]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

I'd agree with this.  What real purpose would he serve for the Celtics at this point.   And at the expense of Green to boot.  As much as I have issues with Green, he's a better fit with this current group than a guy like MKG. 

MKG would be a great glue guy for a veteran-laden contender. Not for a young, rebuilding upstart team like the Celtics.

I think his absolute best case scenario is Iggy or Wallace.

Luc Mbah a Mute is what I fear he'll end up being. His offense is just so dang bad, Iggy you could at least see being a sort of PG/SG combo player with how he handled. Wallace is a bit bigger and grew in being a PF, I don't see MKG thickening out into a PF.

[Kane3387]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

I'd agree with this.  What real purpose would he serve for the Celtics at this point.   And at the expense of Green to boot.  As much as I have issues with Green, he's a better fit with this current group than a guy like MKG. 

MKG would be a great glue guy for a veteran-laden contender. Not for a young, rebuilding upstart team like the Celtics.

I think his absolute best case scenario is Iggy or Wallace.

Luc Mbah a Mute is what I fear he'll end up being. His offense is just so dang bad, Iggy you could at least see being a sort of PG/SG combo player with how he handled. Wallace is a bit bigger and grew in being a PF, I don't see MKG thickening out into a PF.

Shawn Marion in the right system maybe?

[Donoghus]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

I'd agree with this.  What real purpose would he serve for the Celtics at this point.   And at the expense of Green to boot.  As much as I have issues with Green, he's a better fit with this current group than a guy like MKG. 

MKG would be a great glue guy for a veteran-laden contender. Not for a young, rebuilding upstart team like the Celtics.

I think his absolute best case scenario is Iggy or Wallace.

Luc Mbah a Mute is what I fear he'll end up being. His offense is just so dang bad, Iggy you could at least see being a sort of PG/SG combo player with how he handled. Wallace is a bit bigger and grew in being a PF, I don't see MKG thickening out into a PF.

Shawn Marion in the right system maybe?

There's the key term "in the right system".

I don't think the current incarnation of the Celtics are the right fit for him.

[ssspence]

MKG is an awkward offensive player.

Would he a be a nice fit as a high level role guy on a 'win now' team like Houston (playing tough D on the opponent's best wing -- something Harden ain't doing)? Or San An? Or Indiana? Sure.

But he is not a building block. What's his upside? Basically it's Gerald Wallace in his prime, at best.

He really brings no value to the Cs -- you don't give up real assets for him if you're in Ainge's shoes.

I'd agree with this.  What real purpose would he serve for the Celtics at this point.   And at the expense of Green to boot.  As much as I have issues with Green, he's a better fit with this current group than a guy like MKG. 

MKG would be a great glue guy for a veteran-laden contender. Not for a young, rebuilding upstart team like the Celtics.

I think his absolute best case scenario is Iggy or Wallace.

Luc Mbah a Mute is what I fear he'll end up being. His offense is just so dang bad, Iggy you could at least see being a sort of PG/SG combo player with how he handled. Wallace is a bit bigger and grew in being a PF, I don't see MKG thickening out into a PF.

Shawn Marion in the right system maybe?

nope. can't shoot. and for all that's made of MKG's "athleticism", he's really more of a motor guy (ala Crash).