If not Melo, then who?

[Mikedmx6]

I will say I still feel I have a gut feeling Carmelo will be in boston(but next season)

I honestly don't understand how someone well anyone on the forum can say rondo wouldn't help melo play better team ball. Rondo helps guys find their spots.. Kg n pierce have even said it.. Pierce n kg obviously were fine without him but you can't tell me rondo didn't bring out there best the past two season to what suits them as they got older (look at their numbers this season)

I would love to keep green with melo to have a rondo Bradley green melo "insert here", even if it's asik.. Look at what celtics are doing now.. Everyone in Red Sox nation bashed the FO for not making big name moves and look how it ended up.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!

[j804]

You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

[Onslaught]

LOL Billups was not in his prime in Denver i am sorry. Billups best years were in Detroit, and your crazy to think other wise. He had good years in Denver but again not like the years he had with the Pistons. They went to the WCF with that team and ended up losing to the eventual champs the lakers that year.

I get it people don't think Melo is a winner. But Couldn't KG be in that same spot before he came to Boston. While yes KG was known as a team guy and giving his all, He had gotten out of the first round once in 11 season before he came to Boston. Melo while a chucker is a star no matter what you say. He needs someone else next to him to make him better. Rondo is that guy.

So i am someone who would love to see Melo and Rondo work together. Plus i feel like Stevens would know how to work that tandem out so well and make Melo that much more efficient.

No, KG wasn't a winner. It took two other all star players around him to win.

But KG did know what the word defense means. I'm not sure Carmelo's ever looked it up before. I think he's the most overrated player in the last 20 years or so and never want to see him in Boston.

[Celtics4ever]

You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

[chambers]

You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

Melo hasn't had a quality team assembled around him other than the Knicks last season- and they had Felton and Shumpert starting for them with a mix of Kidd, Prigioni and Chris Copeland starting. Other than Chandler and Kidd, the rest of his team mates really haven't been stellar, and Chandler is not an offensive player.

I think what advocates for Melo are saying is that we need a guy who can score the ball because our best player is not a scorer which is a huge problem.
Melo is the leading scorer in the NBA-or is always competing with Durant for that title. That's an incredible talent- but it also puts an incredible amount of pressure on you come playoff time when you don't have any help.
They almost got the trio of Amare, Chandler and Carmelo but Amare got injured 50 games in with Melo and they were still working it out as a unit.

Essentially for Melo to succeed, I believe you'd have to put him at the power forward position for large portions to exploit his speed and size.
People love to call him a chucker and a hack that doesn't pass but he's had a depreciating Billups and Allen Iverson (even bigger ball hog) on his team as his help. They were both when he was much younger too. Remember Pierce when he was 27?

Give him some real All Star help in Rondo and another wing scorer like Jeff Green to take the pressure off and let him play. If we want a title shot before Rondo hits free agency there isn't too much choice.

I've sprouted this so many times, but this line up is a serious contender:

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Melo
Chandler (or Asik)

You either have Sully at the 4 or Melo at the 4 so Sully can be moved for a better shooting guard than Bradley, or a nice first round pick.
Or you keep Sully at the 4 and Melo at the 3 and let Melo play 4 against certain teams/matchups.

[wdleehi]

Alex English, George Gervin, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, Carmelo Anthony, etc. etc.

NBA has been littered with these type of "superstars" who are all about getting their points but did nothing to make their team mates better or overall teams great. They are the exact type of "superstars" you do NOT want on your team because they will never lead your team to a ring.

I would rather wait to see Sullinger or some future draft pick turn into a superstar or get multiple "stars" that can work in a team environment than to have a "superstar" like Carmelo Anthony.

Most of those guys weren't put in a situation to win.  Kobe is also a classic definition of "Superstars who's all about getting their points," and see what Kobe did when put in a situation to win?  I don't feel it's right to jump to a wild conclusion like that when we're yet to see what Melo can do with a pointguard like Rondo, a coach like Brad Stevens, and an environment and a management like the Celtics.

Melo had Chauncey Billups in his prime as a PG and George Karl as a coach.

These are not wild conclusions. Melo is NOT the type of superstar that a franchise should build around. He's proven that over and over again, just like those other guys I mentioned.

And they went to the Western Conference Finals.




Melo has performed and his team performed when has been surrounded by healthy talent (Looking right at Nene)



The problem with Melo is getting Melo.  The cost will be high (if the Knicks decide to move him, which I doubt).  But if the Celtics can do it while keeping Rondo and one starting big man, they should have the ability and chance to fill in the other holes that form. 

[WeMadeIt17]

LOL Billups was not in his prime in Denver i am sorry. Billups best years were in Detroit, and your crazy to think other wise. He had good years in Denver but again not like the years he had with the Pistons. They went to the WCF with that team and ended up losing to the eventual champs the lakers that year.

I get it people don't think Melo is a winner. But Couldn't KG be in that same spot before he came to Boston. While yes KG was known as a team guy and giving his all, He had gotten out of the first round once in 11 season before he came to Boston. Melo while a chucker is a star no matter what you say. He needs someone else next to him to make him better. Rondo is that guy.

So i am someone who would love to see Melo and Rondo work together. Plus i feel like Stevens would know how to work that tandem out so well and make Melo that much more efficient.

No, KG wasn't a winner. It took two other all star players around him to win.

But KG did know what the word defense means. I'm not sure Carmelo's ever looked it up before. I think he's the most overrated player in the last 20 years or so and never want to see him in Boston.

How quickly we forget Pierce also noted as a selfish player who seemed to look to get his own. Was never all defense till other guy came and it willed him to play it. So lets no get all high and mighty here.

[kozlodoev]

How quickly we forget Pierce also noted as a selfish player who seemed to look to get his own. Was never all defense till other guy came and it willed him to play it. So lets no get all high and mighty here.

Um, no. Pierce was noted as a player with bad shooting habits (for which the influence of Walker and Jim O'Brien cannot be ignored). But he was also known as clutch. Melo is much closer to choker than he is to clutch. No thanks.

[D.o.s.]

How quickly we forget Pierce also noted as a selfish player who seemed to look to get his own. Was never all defense till other guy came and it willed him to play it. So lets no get all high and mighty here.

Um, no. Pierce was noted as a player with bad shooting habits (for which the influence of Walker and Jim O'Brien cannot be ignored). But he was also known as clutch. Melo is much closer to choker than he is to clutch. No thanks.

Time was, Melo used to be one of the most "clutch" players in the league. Didn't he lead the league in buzz-beating game-winners at one point?

But I don't think anyone would argue with the idea that he definitely seems to have lost it. Or at least, he's stuck on a team that's falling apart and seems really bummed out about having to play basketball.

an aside:KG was labelled as a choker before he came to the C's though. That's not up for debate. He's not now. Because he won a ring. Winning changes history.

As was pointed out above--the problem with getting 'Melo is the cost of getting 'Melo. If you're able to put him on a team like Chambers described, then my guess is that we'd see a lot more Olympic-level Carmelo and a lot less of whatever the heck he tried to do last night.


Also, if NickN thinks that Sullinger is going to be a superstar, then I want some of whatever's in his cup. 

[BleedGreen1989]

Alex English, George Gervin, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, Carmelo Anthony, etc. etc.

NBA has been littered with these type of "superstars" who are all about getting their points but did nothing to make their team mates better or overall teams great. They are the exact type of "superstars" you do NOT want on your team because they will never lead your team to a ring.

I would rather wait to see Sullinger or some future draft pick turn into a superstar or get multiple "stars" that can work in a team environment than to have a "superstar" like Carmelo Anthony.

Most of those guys weren't put in a situation to win.  Kobe is also a classic definition of "Superstars who's all about getting their points," and see what Kobe did when put in a situation to win?  I don't feel it's right to jump to a wild conclusion like that when we're yet to see what Melo can do with a pointguard like Rondo, a coach like Brad Stevens, and an environment and a management like the Celtics.

Melo had Chauncey Billups in his prime as a PG and George Karl as a coach.

These are not wild conclusions. Melo is NOT the type of superstar that a franchise should build around. He's proven that over and over again, just like those other guys I mentioned.

And they went to the Western Conference Finals.




Melo has performed and his team performed when has been surrounded by healthy talent (Looking right at Nene)



The problem with Melo is getting Melo.  The cost will be high (if the Knicks decide to move him, which I doubt).  But if the Celtics can do it while keeping Rondo and one starting big man, they should have the ability and chance to fill in the other holes that form.

Agreed.

I think I may remain one of the last Carmelo Anthony apologists on the planet.

I still fully believe he can HELP lead a team to the finals with the right team.

He clearly can't do it alone. Nobody can. His best teammates have been Allen Iverson (possibly the worst possible match), Chauncey Billups, JR Smith, Raymond Felton, Tyson Chandler, Nene Hilario, Kenyon Martin, and Amare Stoudamire...

Iverson was an obvious nightmare match. Billups was 34 years old and was still clearly more of a shoot-first PG as he only averaged 5.5 assists the WCF season. JR Smith, another shoot-first guard. Amare and him were not a good match as they both prefer to work in the same areas on the court. Melo obviously has more perimeter game, but still likes to operate in the high post area aka triple threat position.

Perhaps the only good fits he's ever had where his bigs in Tyson Chandler, Nene Hilario, and Kenyon Martin. All defensive/dirty work guys you need on any team.

[LooseCannon]

How quickly we forget Pierce also noted as a selfish player who seemed to look to get his own. Was never all defense till other guy came and it willed him to play it. So lets no get all high and mighty here.

Pierce was an underrated defender who seemed to carry a bit of a chip on his shoulder about how unappreciated his defense was.  When KG came to town, Pierce seemed to really want to prove his nay-sayers wrong.  I don't get the feeling that Carmelo Anthony really cares.  I think he doesn't want to prove he is or can be a great defender, he only wants people to not complain about his defense.

[CelticG1]

Kind of side note but why would the knicks be so desperate to keep melo other than stubborness and I guess fan interest?

They've never been close to legitimate with him and this is hos 3rd year even when surrounded woth lretty good talent, they can see that after denver traded him it didnt leave the team in shambles, he is one of the most expensove players in the NBA, he's starting to get up there in age, and this year they legitmately are not a team that will be able to get past the first round.

Even when they've been healthy they still are a first or second round team at best. If I were them I would trade him and see if I can get some legit package back. I don't even think hos value is that low or lower than it has been in the last couple years anyway.

[D.o.s.]

Kind of side note but why would the knicks be so desperate to keep melo other than stubborness and I guess fan interest?

They've never been close to legitimate with him and this is hos 3rd year even when surrounded woth lretty good talent, they can see that after denver traded him it didnt leave the team in shambles, he is one of the most expensove players in the NBA, he's starting to get up there in age, and this year they legitmately are not a team that will be able to get past the first round.

Even when they've been healthy they still are a first or second round team at best. If I were them I would trade him and see if I can get some legit package back. I don't even think hos value is that low or lower than it has been in the last couple years anyway.

You can't bring logic to the table when you're talking about the Knicks front office. That's like talking about circles in right-angles.

[GreenWarrior]

Alex English, George Gervin, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, Carmelo Anthony, etc. etc.

NBA has been littered with these type of "superstars" who are all about getting their points but did nothing to make their team mates better or overall teams great. They are the exact type of "superstars" you do NOT want on your team because they will never lead your team to a ring.

I would rather wait to see Sullinger or some future draft pick turn into a superstar or get multiple "stars" that can work in a team environment than to have a "superstar" like Carmelo Anthony.

Most of those guys weren't put in a situation to win.  Kobe is also a classic definition of "Superstars who's all about getting their points," and see what Kobe did when put in a situation to win?  I don't feel it's right to jump to a wild conclusion like that when we're yet to see what Melo can do with a pointguard like Rondo, a coach like Brad Stevens, and an environment and a management like the Celtics.

if you don't see the difference between kobe and melo then you're not paying attention.

[GreenWarrior]

Melo is not a team player.  Don't want him.....pease let him stay a Knick or Laker and ruin their teams mojo.

The next star may not even be apparent ,  Paul George came out of no where .....

I think I know who will be the Celtics bet player in two years .......but I won't jinx it 

Don't tease and dangle it in front of me, man.  I want to know!!!

As far as him not being a team player, I don't believe that's hundred percent true.  We saw a glimpse of what he was able to do as far as playing team ball last season.  He purposely changed his game last season to make sure everyone on the team got touches.  He dished and dished, and that was the reason why they were able to go a little far last season.

I believe this "Melo is not a team player" thing is nothing but a stigma

it's not about being a team player with melo, it's that he doesn't make his teammates better. And there is a difference.

it's more than just dishing out assists. kobe had it, Jordan had it & Pierce had it but will never get that recognition imo. just to name a few.