This Rreminds Me of '07

[chambers]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

[Jailan34]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

[BballTim]

I don't see the comparison, minus Jamaal Crawford playing Tony Allen and Rondo playing PP. But in 07 we had one of the worst records in the league, this year we have a ok record and are heading towards the playoffs.

Sullinger isn't as valuable as Al Jeff was, because he hasn't shown enough yet. Combine that with the lack of a top 5 pick, we are not even close to where we are in '07. Not to mention there are no top 5 NBA players available. LaMarcus was one guy I thought could be obtainable, but with the way Portland is playing I think that ship has sailed. Kevin Love is good, but not great and honestly Sullinger is younger and in my opinion is a better defender then Love at this point. Melo could still happen, but he's still more likely to sign in LA. So I don't know where these superstars on bad teams exist.

We should build through the draft, there are not any real proven commodities available.

  It's true that nobody can name any star players that will be available in the near future, it's also true that one probably will. I don't think anyone here was talking about Ray being available (especially for the deal they got) until the trade was announced. If the posts are still around from the end of the 2007 season (or right after the lottery) you could find tons of posts about what a bad position the team was in, with no hope of getting a superstar and no valuable trade assets (trust me, it's true). People are no more plugged into the future of the league now than they were then.

And subsequently, there will be 4 to 5 times more competition for such players being traded.
The Celtics are waiting for the right time to strike.
So are the....
Sun, Pelicans, Bulls, Bucks, Pistons, nuggets, Jazz, Cavaliers and Hawks.
All with plenty of trade assets, all with plenty of money coming off their books.

It's going to be tough.

  You're claiming that most of the teams in the league weren't trying to trade for KG?

It doesn't matter who wanted or was trying to trade for KG, what matters is the assets they had to get it done.
Far more competition now. Teams look to the future because of the improvement in management on a league-wide scale.

Danny's got more competition in the trade market now because his rival GM's are smarter on the whole and have done a good job collecting assets to compete with ours.

We also don't have the McHale connection this time.

  The "McHale connection" is just nonsense. And look around the league, if you think that there's good or better management league-wide then I don't know what to tell you. Again, I kept hearing in 2007 that the team had no hope of getting better because we didn't have any assets that other teams valued. It doesn't sound any more compelling now.

If you don't think management is better now, I don't know what to say.
The NBA is more competitive now- GM's are way better on the whole. It's not just Kutchpak, Ainge, Presti, Buford, Paxson (just retired), Riley.
Ujiri, Morrey, McDonough, Hennigan.
Here's a good article.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/31/new-breed-of-gm-ushers-in-new-coaches/

  Sorry to rain on your "everything I read on the internet is true" parade. You have an article that states that new GMs tend to rely more on stats and hire younger, inexperienced coaches. Bravo. Take a look around the league though. There are a lot of bad teams. Many of them have been at least *somewhat* poorly managed. There are plenty of players on bad contracts. Yet you state that management's getting better all the time. That's quite a disconnect.

You will not concede, or even consider an opposing viewpoint to your own- in any discussion regarding the Celtics. I'm assuming it's the same with everything else basketball related- perhaps  your daily life-

  Of course I consider opposing viewpoints. I do, however, realize that I'm not the only person to do so and don't get into personal attacks on people who have the gall to disagree with me. Explain why I'm wrong to think that there are poorly managed teams in the league instead of claiming that I must have some ulterior motive for disagreeing with you or making some ridiculous claim about the kind of person you imagine I might be. A response like that would be worth considering.

even the blatantly obvious revolution of new breed general managers in the NBA- so it's pointless arguing with you.
You simply can't ever be wrong.
Enjoy the article.

  Sure, there's a new breed of GM in the league, which I agreed with. Whether they're better is obviously far from clear.

[BballTim]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

  If pro-tanking is the minority here it's only a slight minority. I'd guess that when the season started the number of people arguing against tanking could be counted on your fingers.

[Celtics18]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

The reality is that this current Celtics team is currently on pace to not be in the running for a top pick in the 2014 draft.  All the belly aching by the pro-tank crowd that it's the wrong path to take doesn't change reality.

I think the folly in the thinking of the adamant pro-tankers is the notion that the GM of a professional basketball team can precisely engineer the team's record or precisely engineer how the future turns out.  I don't think that's the case.  Rather, I believe that what a good GM like Ainge does is try to set up pieces to rebuild his team into a contender.

From my vantage point, this is what he has already begun doing.  He's good a good looking young coach, a borderline superstar player already in place, a bunch of nice young players with potential to get better, some solid, valuable veterans, and a boatload of first round picks in the coming drafts.

What exactly Ainge will do with all his assets, I simply won't claim to know.  I doubt that even Danny knows the exact plan.  Things change.  Players become available that weren't available before, players' values grow and decrease depending on who is looking at them, how they are playing, and how they might fit with another team.  The values of our future draft picks is an even more hazy picture.  We don't know who we'll find with mid first round picks a year, or two, or three down the road. 

It seems that for some fans, they have a hard time accepting that the values of assets in the NBA world are much more dynamic than static.  In turn, they latch on to what they feel is a static value; i.e, Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins are going to be superstars.  As it turns out, not even the last scenario is a given. 

In short, there are no sure things.  So for me, I can embrace a team that is playing a scrappy, together brand of basketball, exceeding expectation, and is fun to watch.  I can root for them to keep winning, knowing that we have a lot of potential ways to continue to build on what we already have for the future.  I also recognize that the potential exists for very little to pan out and for it too take a long, long time to see our Celtics being a contender.

Recognizing that there's a likelihood of very disparate future realities, makes me as a fan want to embrace the present and enjoy the good basketball rooting moments that this current team can provide.  It's fun, it's exciting, and it's entertaining.

I don't see my rooting for this team to win games as sacrificing a future that is unknown regardless of what happens with the 2013-2104 Celtics. 

[Jailan34]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

The reality is that this current Celtics team is currently on pace to not be in the running for a top pick in the 2014 draft.  All the belly aching by the pro-tank crowd that it's the wrong path to take doesn't change reality.

I think the folly in the thinking of the adamant pro-tankers is the notion that the GM of a professional basketball team can precisely engineer the team's record or precisely engineer how the future turns out.  I don't think that's the case.  Rather, I believe that what a good GM like Ainge does is try to set up pieces to rebuild his team into a contender.

From my vantage point, this is what he has already begun doing.  He's good a good looking young coach, a borderline superstar player already in place, a bunch of nice young players with potential to get better, some solid, valuable veterans, and a boatload of first round picks in the coming drafts.

What exactly Ainge will do with all his assets, I simply won't claim to know.  I doubt that even Danny knows the exact plan.  Things change.  Players become available that weren't available before, players' values grow and decrease depending on who is looking at them, how they are playing, and how they might fit with another team.  The values of our future draft picks is an even more hazy picture.  We don't know who we'll find with mid first round picks a year, or two, or three down the road. 

It seems that for some fans, they have a hard time accepting that the values of assets in the NBA world are much more dynamic than static.  In turn, they latch on to what they feel is a static value; i.e, Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins are going to be superstars.  As it turns out, not even the last scenario is a given. 

In short, there are no sure things.  So for me, I can embrace a team that is playing a scrappy, together brand of basketball, exceeding expectation, and is fun to watch.  I can root for them to keep winning, knowing that we have a lot of potential ways to continue to build on what we already have for the future.  I also recognize that the potential exists for very little to pan out and for it too take a long, long time to see our Celtics being a contender.

Recognizing that there's a likelihood of very disparate future realities, makes me as a fan want to embrace the present and enjoy the good basketball rooting moments that this current team can provide.  It's fun, it's exciting, and it's entertaining.

I don't see my rooting for this team to win games as sacrificing a future that is unknown regardless of what happens with the 2013-2104 Celtics. 

Mid round picks dont vary in worth, they will always be mid round picks that aren't as valuable as top picks.

The reality that our "young players who will continue to improve" doesn't mean much when most of them have reached their full potential. AB will always be limited by his size, Sully will likely max out at david west, which leaves KO as the only real unknown.

All this doesn't matter though if you consider Rondo a borderline superstar I don't think there is much point in discussing further.

[PhoSita]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

  If pro-tanking is the minority here it's only a slight minority. I'd guess that when the season started the number of people arguing against tanking could be counted on your fingers.

I was thinking the same thing.  Especially headed into this season, I think most people were on board with the idea that the team would be bad for at least one season, which would be justified by restocking the cupboard via one or two nice lottery picks.

[Celtics18]

Nah buddy, I'll concede and at least consider the value of other contributors and posters on his forum.
I've admitted when I've been wrong before and I'll consider the viewpoints of everyone as long as they are reasonable and will consider what the other side of the argument is.

Being a pro lottery/tank guy this season, my viewpoint tends to be different to the majority of fans here which rubs some posters the wrong way and leads to plenty of beration and snide comments on a large portion of what I write, but I take it on the chin and try to make other Celtics fans see the other side of the fence from someone who loves the Celtics just as much (if not more) than them. Without guys like me to fog the green glasses this place would be a whole lot more boring.

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

The reality is that this current Celtics team is currently on pace to not be in the running for a top pick in the 2014 draft.  All the belly aching by the pro-tank crowd that it's the wrong path to take doesn't change reality.

I think the folly in the thinking of the adamant pro-tankers is the notion that the GM of a professional basketball team can precisely engineer the team's record or precisely engineer how the future turns out.  I don't think that's the case.  Rather, I believe that what a good GM like Ainge does is try to set up pieces to rebuild his team into a contender.

From my vantage point, this is what he has already begun doing.  He's good a good looking young coach, a borderline superstar player already in place, a bunch of nice young players with potential to get better, some solid, valuable veterans, and a boatload of first round picks in the coming drafts.

What exactly Ainge will do with all his assets, I simply won't claim to know.  I doubt that even Danny knows the exact plan.  Things change.  Players become available that weren't available before, players' values grow and decrease depending on who is looking at them, how they are playing, and how they might fit with another team.  The values of our future draft picks is an even more hazy picture.  We don't know who we'll find with mid first round picks a year, or two, or three down the road. 

It seems that for some fans, they have a hard time accepting that the values of assets in the NBA world are much more dynamic than static.  In turn, they latch on to what they feel is a static value; i.e, Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins are going to be superstars.  As it turns out, not even the last scenario is a given. 

In short, there are no sure things.  So for me, I can embrace a team that is playing a scrappy, together brand of basketball, exceeding expectation, and is fun to watch.  I can root for them to keep winning, knowing that we have a lot of potential ways to continue to build on what we already have for the future.  I also recognize that the potential exists for very little to pan out and for it too take a long, long time to see our Celtics being a contender.

Recognizing that there's a likelihood of very disparate future realities, makes me as a fan want to embrace the present and enjoy the good basketball rooting moments that this current team can provide.  It's fun, it's exciting, and it's entertaining.

I don't see my rooting for this team to win games as sacrificing a future that is unknown regardless of what happens with the 2013-2104 Celtics. 

Did round picks dont vary in worth, they will always be mid round picks that aren't as valuable as top picks.

The reality that our "young players who will continue to improve" doesn't mean much when most of them have reached their full potential. AB will always be limited by his size, Sully will likely max out at david west, which leaves KO as the only real unknown.

All this doesn't matter though if you consider Rondo a borderline superstar I don't think there is much point in discussing further.

The value of mid first round picks is far from static, particularly after they are drafted and they show what kind of NBA players they are.  Let's take your example of Jared Sullinger who you say "will likely max out at David West."  If that's the case, I would argue that a David West potential player on a rookie deal has a ton of value.  How about Avery Bradley?  I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he could be as valuable a player as someone like George Hill.  Remember that George Hill netted the Spurs Kawhi Leonard, who most see as one of the more promising young players in the league. 

As to my referring to Rondo as a "borderline star," that's using a very stingy definition of full fledged superstar, of which I only see about two players in the league still in their primes right now who truly fit that definition. 

[GreenWarrior]

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

I'm not against tanking and one could make the case that we are tanking. We do have a losing record. It just so happens the rest of the EC isn't helping us out.

While losing as many games as we can gets us more ping pong balls. That's all it does. It doesn't guarantee a high pick and it doesn't guarantee us of being any closer to winning a championship.

I think the results could end up being the same weather we decide to tank or continue to be a borderline playoff team because we don't know how things will play out. when you factor in the fact that injuries happen, players come and go, not every player pans out or some guys just don't fit.

It's easy to lose. So why not just try to build chemistry and play to win?

[Jailan34]

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

I'm not against tanking and one could make the case that we are tanking. We do have a losing record. It just so happens the rest of the EC isn't helping us out.

While losing as many games as we can gets us more ping pong balls. That's all it does. It doesn't guarantee a high pick and it doesn't guarantee us of being any closer to winning a championship.

I think the results could end up being the same weather we decide to tank or continue to be a borderline playoff team because we don't know how things will play out. when you factor in the fact that injuries happen, players come and go, not every player pans out or some guys just don't fit.

It's easy to lose. So why not just try to build chemistry and play to win?

Because to win in the NBA it requires a superstar caliber player. Once we have that fact out of the way there are three ways to acquire one, through the draft, a trade, or through free agency.

Most pro tankers like myself believe we do not have the assets to trade for one, mid round picks and sully won't net us a superstar. We have a team full of complementary players, our best player is a complementary player.

Now to address free agency, this is pretty simple, Boston has never acquired a top tier free agent, I'm not willing to bank on us getting one in a way in which we never have.

Which in my mind leads to the draft. Of course if we have the worst record it doesn't guarantee a top pick, but it does give us the best odds. When a draft like this comes along with 3 potential franchise players the odds get a little better. At the same time, having a great pick then opens up the trade route, we can package that pick with a player for a better player.

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

[Celtics18]

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

But you're not playing.  It seems obvious to me that the Boston Celtics are playing to win.  If you are still putting all your eggs into the "Parker/Wiggins or Bust" model of rebuilding, my guess is that you are going to end up being severely disappointed. 

[Jailan34]

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

But you're not playing.  It seems obvious to me that the Boston Celtics are playing to win.  If you are still putting all your eggs into the "Parker/Wiggins or Bust" model of rebuilding, my guess is that you are going to end up being severely disappointed. 

If you read the rest of my post you'd know thats not true. Like I said in a previous post, I don't see much of a reason for us to continue to discuss this team.

[BballTim]

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

I'm not against tanking and one could make the case that we are tanking. We do have a losing record. It just so happens the rest of the EC isn't helping us out.

While losing as many games as we can gets us more ping pong balls. That's all it does. It doesn't guarantee a high pick and it doesn't guarantee us of being any closer to winning a championship.

I think the results could end up being the same weather we decide to tank or continue to be a borderline playoff team because we don't know how things will play out. when you factor in the fact that injuries happen, players come and go, not every player pans out or some guys just don't fit.

It's easy to lose. So why not just try to build chemistry and play to win?

Because to win in the NBA it requires a superstar caliber player. Once we have that fact out of the way there are three ways to acquire one, through the draft, a trade, or through free agency.

Most pro tankers like myself believe we do not have the assets to trade for one, mid round picks and sully won't net us a superstar. We have a team full of complementary players, our best player is a complementary player.

Now to address free agency, this is pretty simple, Boston has never acquired a top tier free agent, I'm not willing to bank on us getting one in a way in which we never have.

Which in my mind leads to the draft. Of course if we have the worst record it doesn't guarantee a top pick, but it does give us the best odds. When a draft like this comes along with 3 potential franchise players the odds get a little better. At the same time, having a great pick then opens up the trade route, we can package that pick with a player for a better player.

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

  In a vacuum it's clearly better to be build your team with high draft picks, so it makes sense to want to have the worst possible record every season that you're not contending for the title. Aside from whether other fans agree with you or not, it's likely the Celtics organization doesn't agree with your approach. Where does that leave you?

[Jailan34]

I have to agree with you there man, I feel like a lot of people who are against tanking are that was just because "it's wrong" and don't really have much of a plan for the future. That or they think we currently have the assets to make a huge trade for our star.

I've never really heard one feasible anti tanking argument that will get us a star player, which is a requirement to win in the NBA. How anyone could convince themselves that making the playoffs with a losing record because bass, JC, JG are playing well is beyond me.

Keep up the good fight though

I'm not against tanking and one could make the case that we are tanking. We do have a losing record. It just so happens the rest of the EC isn't helping us out.

While losing as many games as we can gets us more ping pong balls. That's all it does. It doesn't guarantee a high pick and it doesn't guarantee us of being any closer to winning a championship.

I think the results could end up being the same weather we decide to tank or continue to be a borderline playoff team because we don't know how things will play out. when you factor in the fact that injuries happen, players come and go, not every player pans out or some guys just don't fit.

It's easy to lose. So why not just try to build chemistry and play to win?

Because to win in the NBA it requires a superstar caliber player. Once we have that fact out of the way there are three ways to acquire one, through the draft, a trade, or through free agency.

Most pro tankers like myself believe we do not have the assets to trade for one, mid round picks and sully won't net us a superstar. We have a team full of complementary players, our best player is a complementary player.

Now to address free agency, this is pretty simple, Boston has never acquired a top tier free agent, I'm not willing to bank on us getting one in a way in which we never have.

Which in my mind leads to the draft. Of course if we have the worst record it doesn't guarantee a top pick, but it does give us the best odds. When a draft like this comes along with 3 potential franchise players the odds get a little better. At the same time, having a great pick then opens up the trade route, we can package that pick with a player for a better player.

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

  In a vacuum it's clearly better to be build your team with high draft picks, so it makes sense to want to have the worst possible record every season that you're not contending for the title. Aside from whether other fans agree with you or not, it's likely the Celtics organization doesn't agree with your approach. Where does that leave you?

Still watching the Celtics?

I just disagree with the teams direction, I'll still watch almost every night like I do and particularly follow the players on our team that I enjoy watching the most. I just wish we lost  a few more games.

[Celtics18]

That is why I am pro tank, I'm sure others have different opinions but thats why I'm not playing to win or trying to build chemistry with a team full of players who wont be here next season.

But you're not playing.  It seems obvious to me that the Boston Celtics are playing to win.  If you are still putting all your eggs into the "Parker/Wiggins or Bust" model of rebuilding, my guess is that you are going to end up being severely disappointed. 

If you read the rest of my post you'd know thats not true. Like I said in a previous post, I don't see much of a reason for us to continue to discuss this team.

I read your whole post.  You mentioned having "a great pick" opening up more avenues to acquire a star player.  But, honestly, I think you are mistaken if you think that landing an 8 through 14 pick would make a vast difference in our asset pool to landing a 15 to 20 pick. 

If there's a difference, it's minimal and not worth "tanking" for, in my opinion.

I think there's more to be gained by learning how to play to win and achieve (even moderate) success as a team than there is in tanking for a position in the bottom of the lottery.