Suns want to trade 2014 pick for a big name now

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Rondo has never given any indication that he wants a max deal. He has made it clear he wants to be in Boston as long as he is playing basketball and went so far as to give the team a discounted contract the last time he signed.

I wouldn't rule out a max three year extension but you are going to hear demands from Rondo for the money. Its not how he handles that end of the business. I also wouldn't rule out a 3 year $45 million extension which is no where near a max deal.

Go home Nick, you're projecting.

Rondo wanted a max deal last time, and ended up settling for the discount.

Why wouldn't he want a max deal this time?

Rondo and Duffy are seeking a maximum or near-max contract that would pay him between $80 and $85 million; the Celtics are loath to put anything near that much into Rondo, given their existing expenditures for star players like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/26/rondo.extension/

In addition, Bill Simmons actually had this a few days ago:

Rondo makes only $12 million this year and $13 million next year — that's chump change in today's market. From what I've heard, he wants a max extension and wants to compete now (and not later).

It's Simmons, yes, but he's more plugged in now than ever before. I think we all can agree on that.

  I don't think we can agree on that at all.

Rondo's watched all of the 'Big Three' he's played with and the only NBA coach he'd had work to get themselves onto a contender and away from the C's over the last two years. So while it's understandable that he likes being #1 on his team now, it's also understandable that he might not be keen on a long-term rebuild around players who are 5-6 years younger than him.

But seeing that the team is close to .500 already and how well he might work with Stevens could be factors in his willingness to dig in for another round with Boston.

I still think whether he stays is driven by how much Danny can get for him, but his relationship with Stevens probably has taken the air of desperation out of any potential move. I'd also be interested in Ron Adams's take on whether his coaching is helping Rondo with FTs.

[BballTim]

Rondo has never given any indication that he wants a max deal. He has made it clear he wants to be in Boston as long as he is playing basketball and went so far as to give the team a discounted contract the last time he signed.

I wouldn't rule out a max three year extension but you are going to hear demands from Rondo for the money. Its not how he handles that end of the business. I also wouldn't rule out a 3 year $45 million extension which is no where near a max deal.

Go home Nick, you're projecting.

Rondo wanted a max deal last time, and ended up settling for the discount.

Why wouldn't he want a max deal this time?

Rondo and Duffy are seeking a maximum or near-max contract that would pay him between $80 and $85 million; the Celtics are loath to put anything near that much into Rondo, given their existing expenditures for star players like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/26/rondo.extension/

First off, the go home I'm making stuff up comment is just not called for in any way shape or form.

Second, that one article you referenced was way off base as Duffy was looking more in the $5 year $55-60 million range not $80-85 million range. A quick google search will show that

Third, the negotiations for the most part stayed out of the press with very little quotes from either side publicly on money. Almost everything was just reporting without quotes on "demands". One of the reasons given for signing Rondo when they didn't have to was that he handled the contract negotiations publicly and privately so professionally that the Celtics felt him deserving of the contract at that time.

Lastly, since then, Rondo has never discussed money. Nothing being reported about him or his future contract has come out publicly. Its private and business and that's the way he has done business all along.

Also, just facts, Rondo didn't settle for what he got in his last contract, Danny gave in to that amount since Ainge supposedly was offering $10 million less over the length of the contract.

No offense, but I think you're grasping at straws here. Why would Duffy, an agent who's job it is to make as much money for his client and himself, come into negotiations with the exact amount he ultimately settled for? If so, he's the worst agent I've ever heard of.

Can you please provide an example that Rondo originally wanted 55-60M and not the 80-85M? Is there even anything out there that refutes David Aldridge's report? I think I'm more inclined to believe David Aldridge than Nick the frequent poster on C's Blog.

  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics-rondo-55-million-extension-081000953--nba.html

  "As much as we were willing to wait his contract out, the Celtics stepped up to the plate to meet the original request,” Duffy said by phone."

  This was fairly widely reported at the time. Why on earth would Rondo's agent have given up a shot at free agency in order to sign a contract that was only about 60% of what they wanted? *That* would be the worst agent I've ever heard of.

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Rondo has never given any indication that he wants a max deal. He has made it clear he wants to be in Boston as long as he is playing basketball and went so far as to give the team a discounted contract the last time he signed.

I wouldn't rule out a max three year extension but you are going to hear demands from Rondo for the money. Its not how he handles that end of the business. I also wouldn't rule out a 3 year $45 million extension which is no where near a max deal.

Go home Nick, you're projecting.

Rondo wanted a max deal last time, and ended up settling for the discount.

Why wouldn't he want a max deal this time?

Rondo and Duffy are seeking a maximum or near-max contract that would pay him between $80 and $85 million; the Celtics are loath to put anything near that much into Rondo, given their existing expenditures for star players like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/26/rondo.extension/

In addition, Bill Simmons actually had this a few days ago:

Rondo makes only $12 million this year and $13 million next year — that's chump change in today's market. From what I've heard, he wants a max extension and wants to compete now (and not later).

It's Simmons, yes, but he's more plugged in now than ever before. I think we all can agree on that.

  I don't think we can agree on that at all.

Rondo's watched all of the 'Big Three' he's played with and the only NBA coach he'd had work to get themselves onto a contender and away from the C's over the last two years. So while it's understandable that he likes being #1 on his team now, it's also understandable that he might not be keen on a long-term rebuild around players who are 5-6 years younger than him.

But seeing that the team is close to .500 already and how well he might work with Stevens could be factors in his willingness to dig in for another round with Boston.

I still think whether he stays is driven by how much Danny can get for him, but his relationship with Stevens probably has taken the air of desperation out of any potential move. I'd also be interested in Ron Adams's take on whether his coaching is helping Rondo with FTs.

I can't wait till Ron Adams gets a hold of a healthy Rondo, look what he's done with AB? Bradley has said big credit to his improved shooting stroke and form is Ron Adams

[Moranis]

Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for 2014 unprotected + someone else.

This seems to make the most sense.

Green & Bradley

for

Frye, Goodwin, Kravtsov, Pacers 1st, and Wizards or Suns 1st

Yeah, that's terrible value for Green and Bradley.

I can't see Boston keeping Bradley at 8 million per year and Green has clearly shown he can't be the man so you get a couple of firsts and a couple of young guys and you move on.

[BballTim]

Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for 2014 unprotected + someone else.

This seems to make the most sense.

Green & Bradley

for

Frye, Goodwin, Kravtsov, Pacers 1st, and Wizards or Suns 1st

Yeah, that's terrible value for Green and Bradley.

I can't see Boston keeping Bradley at 8 million per year and Green has clearly shown he can't be the man so you get a couple of firsts and a couple of young guys and you move on.

  How many teams do you see offering Avery $8M/year?

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Rondo's future will directly be tied to how much he likes playing for Brad Stevens.  Rondo knows Danny's penchant for bringing in talent, and with each passing game it appears Stevens adaptation to the pro game is accelerating.  It looks like this rebuild is going to be very very quick. 

[Moranis]

Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for 2014 unprotected + someone else.

This seems to make the most sense.

Green & Bradley

for

Frye, Goodwin, Kravtsov, Pacers 1st, and Wizards or Suns 1st

Yeah, that's terrible value for Green and Bradley.

I can't see Boston keeping Bradley at 8 million per year and Green has clearly shown he can't be the man so you get a couple of firsts and a couple of young guys and you move on.

  How many teams do you see offering Avery $8M/year?

frankly I'm not sure he is worth 6 million a year at this point.  His defense seems to have regressed and while he seems to be getting better offensively he isn't improving enough and his flaws are becoming more apparent.  With the improved play of Crawford, I think Bradley is expendable.  Now granted we have matching rights so we don't have to move him, but if we could get a first in this draft for him, I think I'd probably do it.

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Rondo for Bledsoe and their unprotected 2014 1st?

I'd do it.

In a heartbeat

count me in

Anyone would... Except anyone who works for the Phoenix Suns. It's also difficult to imagine Jeff Green is what R McD is gunning for as a 'big name'. 

[BballTim]

Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for 2014 unprotected + someone else.

This seems to make the most sense.

Green & Bradley

for

Frye, Goodwin, Kravtsov, Pacers 1st, and Wizards or Suns 1st

Yeah, that's terrible value for Green and Bradley.

I can't see Boston keeping Bradley at 8 million per year and Green has clearly shown he can't be the man so you get a couple of firsts and a couple of young guys and you move on.

  How many teams do you see offering Avery $8M/year?

frankly I'm not sure he is worth 6 million a year at this point.  His defense seems to have regressed and while he seems to be getting better offensively he isn't improving enough and his flaws are becoming more apparent.  With the improved play of Crawford, I think Bradley is expendable.  Now granted we have matching rights so we don't have to move him, but if we could get a first in this draft for him, I think I'd probably do it.

  If you don't think he's going to get $6M then trading him to avoid paying him $8M doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Moranis]

Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for 2014 unprotected + someone else.

This seems to make the most sense.

Green & Bradley

for

Frye, Goodwin, Kravtsov, Pacers 1st, and Wizards or Suns 1st

Yeah, that's terrible value for Green and Bradley.

I can't see Boston keeping Bradley at 8 million per year and Green has clearly shown he can't be the man so you get a couple of firsts and a couple of young guys and you move on.

  How many teams do you see offering Avery $8M/year?

frankly I'm not sure he is worth 6 million a year at this point.  His defense seems to have regressed and while he seems to be getting better offensively he isn't improving enough and his flaws are becoming more apparent.  With the improved play of Crawford, I think Bradley is expendable.  Now granted we have matching rights so we don't have to move him, but if we could get a first in this draft for him, I think I'd probably do it.

  If you don't think he's going to get $6M then trading him to avoid paying him $8M doesn't make a lot of sense.

I never said he wouldn't get 6 million a year, I said I wouldn't pay him that.  Big Difference.  He will get at least the MLE from some team, I just don't think he is worth it and wouldn't pay him that, which means I would move him if I could get a 1st round pick.

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I watch every Suns game 1st hand & Jeff Green would be magnificent in Phoenix system & scheme. They spot up their 2's & 3's in the corners & they are basically a penetrate & kick only team. They wouldn't trade Frye, too valuable for what they do & as a Celtics fan we would hate Dragic! Dragic is a black hole who only passes when he's forced not a pass 1st PG. Bledsoe would do us good but my feeling management loves him & would rather deal Dragic. But like I said before Jeff Green would star in Phoenix & he could see about 6-7 more shots a game as coach Hornacek only plays PJ Tucker the minutes he does because he defends tougher & harder than Gerald Green does. And we all know Jeff Green can defend therefore I could see him logging 38-42 minutes a game out here in Phoenix. Jeff would make this Phoenix team a legit playoff team no doubt in my mind... We would probably have to take back PJ Tucker or Gerald Green + 1st to make it happen. not sure we could get Bledsoe or Goodwin in the deal.