If rondo comesback and we start losing

[CelticG1]

If that happens this board will be all sorts of gross

[Fafnir]

If that happens this board will be all sorts of gross

I suggest you steal yourself. We're going to lose 2-4 games in a row at some point when Rondo comes back, just like we have without him.

At that point get your 300 or preferred war GIFs ready.

[BleedGreen1989]

I wouldn't be surprised to see some struggles when Rondo comes back. He's a huge piece to this team and he may take awhile to fit in and get comfortable. Not to mention, when a star returns from injury, a good deal of teams usually end up standing around and watching said player.

However, if we do struggle, I fully expect this board to erupt in threads titled "TRADE RONDO WHILE WE CAN!"

[BballTim]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

  He dominates playoff games and playoff series. And, fyi, it's not unusual for players to get more minutes in the playoffs than the regular season. Over the last 5 seasons combined, 5 players averaged 38+ mpg during the regular season, 27 have during the playoffs. 21 players averaged more mpg in those 5 combined playoffs than any player did during those combined regular seasons.

 If your explanation of the "playoff superstar theory" was correct the theory wouldn't exist. Most (if not all) stars play more minutes during the playoffs, yet you don't hear that they're "playoff superstars". That's because they don't step up their games in the postseason like Rondo does.

He also has crappy games all the time in the playoffs.  He also has dominate regular season games and stretches as well.  Rondo is virtually the same player in the playoffs as he is in the regular season (look at his per 36 for both).  He plays more minutes and takes 2 more shots per 36 and bumps his rebounding about 0.5 per 36, but is less efficient and decreases his assists per 36 by 0.5 per 36. In other words, for all practical purposes Rondo is the same player in the regular season as he is in the post season he is just slightly more inclined to shoot more and pass less in the post season.  I would actually prefer that Rondo all the time as he does look to pass to much at times.  He also has bad games all the time because he can't play at that top level consistently enough.  His career, both post season and regular season equates almost evenly between great games, good games, and bad games.  They are pretty much 1 in 3 across the board.  He needs to up the great games and good games and decrease the bad games to really become the player he could become.

  He doesn't have very many crappy games in the playoffs when he's healthy. He doesn't always have great scoring games but he doesn't have to score a ton to control a game. Also, as I've mentioned in the past, having a player's scoring go up even as much as Rondo's in the playoffs is unusual. The defenses are generally better as you see few if any of the bottom 10-12 defenses in the league in the postseason. The Celts play the majority of their playoff games against top 7 defenses, for example.

  The last time this discussion came up I checked the top 25 or so active playoff scorers who had played a decent amount of playoff games. The only player who's per36 scoring average jumped as much as Rondo's was TMac, and that only happened because he had injury-plagued seasons where he didn't score much and missed the playoffs. The bulk of those players scored *less* per36 in the playoffs.

[Tr1boy]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

[D.o.s.]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

The counter argument to that would be that, in theory, Rondo controlling the ball makes it easier for everyone on the team to score, and you're more likely to have one of five guys on the floor score than one guy.

Of course, that's based on the idea that Crawford wouldn't pass the ball to someone for an open look--which is silly.

So, really, this is a vague hypothetical that doesn't really have a correct answer.

[playdream]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

The counter argument to that would be that, in theory, Rondo controlling the ball makes it easier for everyone on the team to score, and you're more likely to have one of five guys on the floor score than one guy.

Of course, that's based on the idea that Crawford wouldn't pass the ball to someone for an open look--which is silly.

So, really, this is a vague hypothetical that doesn't really have a correct answer.

doubt about that, we are not a good score team when Rondo is controlling the ball the last 2~3years
perhaps it's Doc's systems' fault, though

[Fafnir]

Not sure, I don't think he'd be happy about not finishing a game. But I don't think he'd react like DMC.

[D.o.s.]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

The counter argument to that would be that, in theory, Rondo controlling the ball makes it easier for everyone on the team to score, and you're more likely to have one of five guys on the floor score than one guy.

Of course, that's based on the idea that Crawford wouldn't pass the ball to someone for an open look--which is silly.

So, really, this is a vague hypothetical that doesn't really have a correct answer.

doubt about that, we are not a good score team when Rondo is controlling the ball the last 2~3years
perhaps it's Doc's systems' fault, though

Just pointing out the argument for keeping Rondo in over Crawford.

[Fafnir]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

The counter argument to that would be that, in theory, Rondo controlling the ball makes it easier for everyone on the team to score, and you're more likely to have one of five guys on the floor score than one guy.

Of course, that's based on the idea that Crawford wouldn't pass the ball to someone for an open look--which is silly.

So, really, this is a vague hypothetical that doesn't really have a correct answer.

doubt about that, we are not a good score team when Rondo is controlling the ball the last 2~3years
perhaps it's Doc's systems' fault, though

We're not a good offensive team this year either. We're going to struggle to score most nights overall with this team's makeup. (with or without Rondo playing)

[BballTim]

What happens if there is 5 min left, jcraw has scored 20(hot shooting 3s), and rondo has trouble shooting/scoring and the team needs buckets?

We still need AB out there for defense also. So BS pulls rondo for jcraw. Can rondo accept this?

The counter argument to that would be that, in theory, Rondo controlling the ball makes it easier for everyone on the team to score, and you're more likely to have one of five guys on the floor score than one guy.

Of course, that's based on the idea that Crawford wouldn't pass the ball to someone for an open look--which is silly.

So, really, this is a vague hypothetical that doesn't really have a correct answer.

doubt about that, we are not a good score team when Rondo is controlling the ball the last 2~3years
perhaps it's Doc's systems' fault, though

  In 10-11 our ORtg was 10 points higher with Rondo in the game during the season and 17 points higher with Rondo in the game in the playoffs. In 11-12 those numbers were 7 points better during the season and 11 points better in the playoffs. Also, we were pretty good at scoring during that time (in terms of making shots), the main problem with the offense was abnormally bad offensive rebounding.

[GreenWarrior]

the only way rondo gets pulled for Crawford is if rondo is injured or in foul trouble. if it's a last sec offensive possession then AB will get yanked not rondo.

yes we will lose games when rondo comes back but we will be better.

have we seen rondo play?

[Donoghus]

If we start losing, I highly doubt it'll be due to Rondo. 

My guess is that some of these guys come down to earth a bit, the level of competition increases, or injuries start playing a role. 

Rondo isn't going to be a detriment to this team and I'm not sure what would create the thought that it would.

[Moranis]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

  He dominates playoff games and playoff series. And, fyi, it's not unusual for players to get more minutes in the playoffs than the regular season. Over the last 5 seasons combined, 5 players averaged 38+ mpg during the regular season, 27 have during the playoffs. 21 players averaged more mpg in those 5 combined playoffs than any player did during those combined regular seasons.

 If your explanation of the "playoff superstar theory" was correct the theory wouldn't exist. Most (if not all) stars play more minutes during the playoffs, yet you don't hear that they're "playoff superstars". That's because they don't step up their games in the postseason like Rondo does.

He also has crappy games all the time in the playoffs.  He also has dominate regular season games and stretches as well.  Rondo is virtually the same player in the playoffs as he is in the regular season (look at his per 36 for both).  He plays more minutes and takes 2 more shots per 36 and bumps his rebounding about 0.5 per 36, but is less efficient and decreases his assists per 36 by 0.5 per 36. In other words, for all practical purposes Rondo is the same player in the regular season as he is in the post season he is just slightly more inclined to shoot more and pass less in the post season.  I would actually prefer that Rondo all the time as he does look to pass to much at times.  He also has bad games all the time because he can't play at that top level consistently enough.  His career, both post season and regular season equates almost evenly between great games, good games, and bad games.  They are pretty much 1 in 3 across the board.  He needs to up the great games and good games and decrease the bad games to really become the player he could become.

  He doesn't have very many crappy games in the playoffs when he's healthy. He doesn't always have great scoring games but he doesn't have to score a ton to control a game. Also, as I've mentioned in the past, having a player's scoring go up even as much as Rondo's in the playoffs is unusual. The defenses are generally better as you see few if any of the bottom 10-12 defenses in the league in the postseason. The Celts play the majority of their playoff games against top 7 defenses, for example.

  The last time this discussion came up I checked the top 25 or so active playoff scorers who had played a decent amount of playoff games. The only player who's per36 scoring average jumped as much as Rondo's was TMac, and that only happened because he had injury-plagued seasons where he didn't score much and missed the playoffs. The bulk of those players scored *less* per36 in the playoffs.

sure, but they also shoot less by and large, not increase their shot output by 2 a game.  Rondo scores more in the playoffs because he shoots more, not because he increased his effectiveness.  His shooting more means he gets less assists though and he basically contributes the same amount of points per game (assists and points) in both the playoffs and regular season on a per minute basis.

[Chris]

Maybe I am looking through green colored glasses here, but this is something I have felt for a long time...long before the changes of this past summer.  I think Rondo was held back a lot by Doc and Pierce.  I think Pierce and Doc (KG less so) had a lot of trouble letting Rondo take the lead, and it led to a real power struggle which killed the chemistry of the team, and led to Rondo underperforming.

I really believe that, if Rondo can come back fully healthy, he will thrive on this team.  I just think that the leadership dynamics are so much better now, and he that it is truly his team.  Stevens seems to be much more willing to share the leadership, and is not as threatened by it than Doc and Pierce, and I really think they will work well together.