If rondo comesback and we start losing

[Tr1boy]

Im still not 100 confident that a healthy rondo would propel this team to new heights. Still remember the past season , and that horridic losing streak with rondo playing.(not stating its anyones fault)

What if after 10-15 games with a healthy rondo we cant win again. Green and sullinger struggle, jcraws limited min is actually a detriment and stevens is "stuck" trying to make rondo work with whats happening now.

If by the trade deadline you get an offer - mclemore for rondo as the principals(can see sac pulling another big trade) , would you do the trade ,put jcraw back as the starting pg and look towards a new future or stick it out with rondo for the rest of the year regardless what happens?

[BASS_THUMPER]

he looked ok on that show with regis

[lightspeed5]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

[LarBrd33]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

[BballTim]

Im still not 100 confident that a healthy rondo would propel this team to new heights. Still remember the past season , and that horridic losing streak with rondo playing.(not stating its anyones fault)

What if after 10-15 games with a healthy rondo we cant win again. Green and sullinger struggle, jcraws limited min is actually a detriment and stevens is "stuck" trying to make rondo work with whats happening now.

  I doubt we'll see a fully healthy Rondo this year. Sully didn't struggle playing with Rondo last year, in fact he was really starting to emerge as a player before he was injured. Green struggled at the beginning of the season last year because he'd had a year off and because he was recovering from heart surgery, I'm not really expecting a repeat of that. It's possible the team will struggle a little adjusting to Rondo or that Rondo will struggle some until he's healthy, that's not really a reason to hitch your wagon to Jordan Crawford.

[BballTim]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

  He dominates playoff games and playoff series. And, fyi, it's not unusual for players to get more minutes in the playoffs than the regular season. Over the last 5 seasons combined, 5 players averaged 38+ mpg during the regular season, 27 have during the playoffs. 21 players averaged more mpg in those 5 combined playoffs than any player did during those combined regular seasons.

 If your explanation of the "playoff superstar theory" was correct the theory wouldn't exist. Most (if not all) stars play more minutes during the playoffs, yet you don't hear that they're "playoff superstars". That's because they don't step up their games in the postseason like Rondo does.

[OhioGreen]

Being,I'm sure, very much in the minority, am leaning towards trading Rondo! If Detroit would pony up Drummond for him, he'd be gone tomorrow! We have a PG. We don't have a rim protecting C.
For years hasn't everyone talked about how if RR could only shoot(FG and FT's), to go with his playmaking he'd be the best, or at least top 2/3 in the league!
Well right now JCraw is giving us what we've wanted RR to do all these years! Can he keep it up? Yes, I believe he can. No he's not the assist machine RR has been, but let's see if RR is STILL that machine playing without KG and Co. knocking down shots! I believe he will still rack them up at a good rate, but maybe not 11/12 per game. Recently JC has been at about 7 per. Brad has gushed about his D! He's no great rebounder, but decent for a PG. RR rbs will probably go down this year too, as BS seems to be keeping his big rb'ers closer to the hoop--in theory leaving less boards for the guards.
And when the clock is running down and we need to get a good shot off, who would you rather be stuck with the ball,RR or JCraw---or at the foul line---or taking a three when everything else stalls?
It seems every year you see a couple of players in the league that just all of a sudden GET IT! The lightbulb goes off, and in amazement you say "when did HE get that good?".  If this is, indeed, JCraw's moment, and we derail it, and crush his spirit sending him to the bench, or worse, trading him HIGH where he goes off with another team to be great--that would just really......!!
This team has been playing really well, but lacks a legit C and rim protector, and a dynamic franchise scorer/player. RR could get us that in Drummond, and the you just need Danny to score us that last piece!
With BS's coaching ability, I think we'd then be a title contender again---and with a pretty young team!!!

[Moranis]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

  He dominates playoff games and playoff series. And, fyi, it's not unusual for players to get more minutes in the playoffs than the regular season. Over the last 5 seasons combined, 5 players averaged 38+ mpg during the regular season, 27 have during the playoffs. 21 players averaged more mpg in those 5 combined playoffs than any player did during those combined regular seasons.

 If your explanation of the "playoff superstar theory" was correct the theory wouldn't exist. Most (if not all) stars play more minutes during the playoffs, yet you don't hear that they're "playoff superstars". That's because they don't step up their games in the postseason like Rondo does.

He also has crappy games all the time in the playoffs.  He also has dominate regular season games and stretches as well.  Rondo is virtually the same player in the playoffs as he is in the regular season (look at his per 36 for both).  He plays more minutes and takes 2 more shots per 36 and bumps his rebounding about 0.5 per 36, but is less efficient and decreases his assists per 36 by 0.5 per 36. In other words, for all practical purposes Rondo is the same player in the regular season as he is in the post season he is just slightly more inclined to shoot more and pass less in the post season.  I would actually prefer that Rondo all the time as he does look to pass to much at times.  He also has bad games all the time because he can't play at that top level consistently enough.  His career, both post season and regular season equates almost evenly between great games, good games, and bad games.  They are pretty much 1 in 3 across the board.  He needs to up the great games and good games and decrease the bad games to really become the player he could become.

[slamtheking]

The team may need to adjust to Rondo's playing style on the court but I see Rondo fitting in with what's going on here and making it better. 

Once Rondo shows he has his legs back enough to start, which shouldn't take long, I see Crawford becomeing the first guard off the bench and making a very solid tandem with Courtney Lee now that Lee is having a decent year.

[LooseCannon]

Being,I'm sure, very much in the minority, am leaning towards trading Rondo! If Detroit would pony up Drummond for him, he'd be gone tomorrow! We have a PG. We don't have a rim protecting C.
For years hasn't everyone talked about how if RR could only shoot(FG and FT's), to go with his playmaking he'd be the best, or at least top 2/3 in the league!

It's kind of funny that you mention free throws since Drummond shoots under 40% on those.  Drummond is one of the few players against whom a hack-a-shaq strategy is mathematically sound.

[D.o.s.]

Will we be able to lay the blame squarely in one place like that if he comes back and we start losing?

What if he only plays fifteen minutes?

[SHAQATTACK]

That may be too far down the road to really care or does it really matter at this point?

Not worried either way ...

Brad will figure Rondo capabilities into the team when he is back

Still not expecting him till Feb or MArch......he should take a full year and be100% before competing.
A still hurt or broken Rondo doesn't help ........I think he is out another 6 weeks at least.


DA is NOT going to put Rondo on the court less than 100% ......that would be bad for trade value as well as helping the team.

[Section301]

Im still not 100 confident that a healthy rondo would propel this team to new heights. Still remember the past season , and that horridic losing streak with rondo playing.(not stating its anyones fault)

What if after 10-15 games with a healthy rondo we cant win again. Green and sullinger struggle, jcraws limited min is actually a detriment and stevens is "stuck" trying to make rondo work with whats happening now.

If by the trade deadline you get an offer - mclemore for rondo as the principals(can see sac pulling another big trade) , would you do the trade ,put jcraw back as the starting pg and look towards a new future or stick it out with rondo for the rest of the year regardless what happens?

I question your assumption that the C's will still be winning consistently when Rondo returns    

So...it would be bad if the Celtics lose games this year?  In light of how hard so many have been lobbying for bottoming out, I would think losing when Rondo returns would be a good thing. 

Of course, if he comes back and they are losing the odds of another team wanting to give up a quality player for him at the deadline go down, right?  Who wants a player that derails a team that was playing well?  In light of that, I don't see how your scenario could play out. 

That said, as many have before, if the right offer comes along for Rondo, of course Ainge takes it.   

I don't think that JCraw is good enough to be the starting point guard of a championship contender, though.  If healthy, I think Rondo is. 

[Snakehead]

i honestly dont care how rondo plays in the regular season, he gives so much effort in the playoffs that he makes up for it. he obviously saves himself physically for the playoffs. if you want him to waste his 160 lb body in the regular season, well thats just not logical.

lol...


and if the team doesn't make the playoffs?

Btw, I don't buy the "playoff superstar" theory.  He just gets more minutes.

Dude I know you're a Celtics fan.  This is crazy to say.

If you watched the games you would see Rondo dominating Playoff games regularly even against LeBron.

[Fafnir]

No I wouldn't let any struggles working Rondo back into the lineup dictate any trade I would consider.

I'd also hesitate to assign causation to Rondo coming back if Crawford's shooting regresses, or the rest of the team doesn't player well. This is still the same team that lost 6 in a row, we're going to have plenty of stretches of ugly bad basketball.