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Parker was always better than Wiggins.
« on: December 06, 2013, 06:29:32 AM »

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 This is from a Chad Ford Interview I'll post it if you would like. I'm actually defending Wiggins, I think he got an unfair deal by this enormous hype. Chad Ford went onto say that "Parker was dubbed the next Lebron" I know that's stupid but you know what he means. He was the next big thing for a long time coming, he got hurt his senior year gained a lot of weight lost his quickness, and Wiggins came out of nowhere and blew people away with his body and athleticism. Now Parker is back athletically and he's here to show he's taking back what was his all along.

 This makes sense to me. Andrew doesn't have the I'm the man complex that you need to have to be that Durant, Carmelo, even Lebron in high school. Every time the hyped Lebron in every single debut I've ever seen with him He delivered. It really is amazing when guys can live up to the enormous hype they receive. Wiggins is good don't get me wrong. His upside still may be the best. But to me it was unfair that he got dubbed the number one prospect in this loaded draft. It would have been much better for him if he was rated two or three IMO.

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And I would argue Randle is  better than Parker.  Wiggins can jump.  Parker can shoot and Randle is an absolute beast down low.

Randle is now the numero uno.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131205/nba-big-board-julius-randle-andrew-wiggins-jabari-parker/

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 08:31:10 AM »

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For our team I'd take Parker over Randle, mostly because we have Sully and KO.

But any one that knows basketball, just from the youtube video's should have seen that Parker was better than Wiggins.

In all the video's I saw Wiggins shot a hand full of times, it was all dunks. Parker's full game was showcased in all his videos. If Wiggins can learn to shoot better he will be a tough player, but Pakers BBIQ is really strong. I'd take IQ over hops every day of the week.

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I think all three will be great players.  It's more likely the Celtics will pick third than first, so I'd be happy to have whichever is left over.  (Granted, it's unlikely the Celtics will pick even third, but the odds are better).

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My guess is that right now Parker and Randle are ahead of Wiggins on most GM's boards since Wiggins has more bust potential. Of course, Parker and Randle are producing at such a high level as freshman that it's probably inappropriate to label them "safer" picks anymore - you can legitimately claim that they are just better than Wiggins now AND in the future, period.

It's going to be an exciting draft lottery for sure...

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I can't believe people take high school rankings without a grain of salt.  Bradley was a number 1 high school prospect.
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My guess is that right now Parker and Randle are ahead of Wiggins on most GM's boards since Wiggins has more bust potential. Of course, Parker and Randle are producing at such a high level as freshman that it's probably inappropriate to label them "safer" picks anymore - you can legitimately claim that they are just better than Wiggins now AND in the future, period.

It's going to be an exciting draft lottery for sure...

I will freely admit I fell in love with Wiggins from the high lights but after watching the start of the college basketball season Parker is the better player and he will be the better pro.  I think any team that gets the number one pick and doesn't pick Parker is making a mistake.  I would go Parker, Embidd, Wiggins, Smart, Randle, Exum.....

This hurts me to say that Parker is that good because I am a life long UNC fan...

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 09:13:40 AM »

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 This is from a Chad Ford Interview I'll post it if you would like. I'm actually defending Wiggins, I think he got an unfair deal by this enormous hype. Chad Ford went onto say that "Parker was dubbed the next Lebron" I know that's stupid but you know what he means. He was the next big thing for a long time coming, he got hurt his senior year gained a lot of weight lost his quickness, and Wiggins came out of nowhere and blew people away with his body and athleticism. Now Parker is back athletically and he's here to show he's taking back what was his all along.

 This makes sense to me. Andrew doesn't have the I'm the man complex that you need to have to be that Durant, Carmelo, even Lebron in high school. Every time the hyped Lebron in every single debut I've ever seen with him He delivered. It really is amazing when guys can live up to the enormous hype they receive. Wiggins is good don't get me wrong. His upside still may be the best. But to me it was unfair that he got dubbed the number one prospect in this loaded draft. It would have been much better for him if he was rated two or three IMO.
I don't think Wiggins has ever been declared the best player.  He is often declared the best prospect.  Huge difference.

The man complex can be a nice trait to have, but Paul George never had it until this year, while Austin Rivers did have it in college.

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I can't believe people take high school rankings without a grain of salt.  Bradley was a number 1 high school prospect.

I guess it depends on the ranking?  I see him as #4, #2 PG behind Wall.  Bradley stole a Hall of Famer's starting role on a playoff team when he would have been a college junior.  Not sure how that makes him very overrated.  If he didn't have so many injury problems, he'd have accomplished even more by now (and you can't expect high school ratings to account for getting injured every year).

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 This is from a Chad Ford Interview I'll post it if you would like. I'm actually defending Wiggins, I think he got an unfair deal by this enormous hype. Chad Ford went onto say that "Parker was dubbed the next Lebron" I know that's stupid but you know what he means. He was the next big thing for a long time coming, he got hurt his senior year gained a lot of weight lost his quickness, and Wiggins came out of nowhere and blew people away with his body and athleticism. Now Parker is back athletically and he's here to show he's taking back what was his all along.

 This makes sense to me. Andrew doesn't have the I'm the man complex that you need to have to be that Durant, Carmelo, even Lebron in high school. Every time the hyped Lebron in every single debut I've ever seen with him He delivered. It really is amazing when guys can live up to the enormous hype they receive. Wiggins is good don't get me wrong. His upside still may be the best. But to me it was unfair that he got dubbed the number one prospect in this loaded draft. It would have been much better for him if he was rated two or three IMO.
I don't think Wiggins has ever been declared the best player.  He is often declared the best prospect.  Huge difference.

The man complex can be a nice trait to have, but Paul George never had it until this year, while Austin Rivers did have it in college.
Yup, same with shooting. Plenty of players improve as shooters. You don't really improve athletically which is why so many GMs are locked in on Wiggins.

What I've seen of all three is that they're all good enough to be franchise players potentially. Beyond that I can't say I feel strongly about one over the other two.

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 This is from a Chad Ford Interview I'll post it if you would like. I'm actually defending Wiggins, I think he got an unfair deal by this enormous hype. Chad Ford went onto say that "Parker was dubbed the next Lebron" I know that's stupid but you know what he means. He was the next big thing for a long time coming, he got hurt his senior year gained a lot of weight lost his quickness, and Wiggins came out of nowhere and blew people away with his body and athleticism. Now Parker is back athletically and he's here to show he's taking back what was his all along.

 This makes sense to me. Andrew doesn't have the I'm the man complex that you need to have to be that Durant, Carmelo, even Lebron in high school. Every time the hyped Lebron in every single debut I've ever seen with him He delivered. It really is amazing when guys can live up to the enormous hype they receive. Wiggins is good don't get me wrong. His upside still may be the best. But to me it was unfair that he got dubbed the number one prospect in this loaded draft. It would have been much better for him if he was rated two or three IMO.
I don't think Wiggins has ever been declared the best player.  He is often declared the best prospect.  Huge difference.

The man complex can be a nice trait to have, but Paul George never had it until this year, while Austin Rivers did have it in college.
Yup, same with shooting. Plenty of players improve as shooters. You don't really improve athletically which is why so many GMs are locked in on Wiggins.

What I've seen of all three is that they're all good enough to be franchise players potentially. Beyond that I can't say I feel strongly about one over the other two.

Wiggins is very athletic, but who is saying Parker isn't??? The way I see it, Parker is not too far off from Wiggins in terms of athleticism, but his bbiq looks like it is clearly higher than Wiggins. That alone makes me want him over Wiggins. And I agree with most of you about Randle. Randle is a beast down low, but we already have Sully, unless you are afraid of Sully's past injury problems, you draft Randle.

As I said in other threads

my wishlist are players that can be futures with Rondo and the players I want are

Parker, and Smart

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Parker isn't the athlete Wiggins is, and the difference is pretty big. Wiggins is T-Mac type of athletic and quickness.

Parker is more along the Melo type athleticism, maybe a bit worse I'm trying to recall how Melo looked in college. Its been a long time.

Now that sort of difference doesn't mean Parker won't be a better player, athleticism only takes you so far.

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Parker isn't the athlete Wiggins is, and the difference is pretty big. Wiggins is T-Mac type of athletic and quickness.

Parker is more along the Melo type athleticism, maybe a bit worse I'm trying to recall how Melo looked in college. Its been a long time.

Now that sort of difference doesn't mean Parker won't be a better player, athleticism only takes you so far.

Parker's got that sneaky Pierce/Melo athleticism locked down pretty well.

They don't look the part but get them on a basketball court and they can work wonders.

Parker's not on the level of Wiggins' athleticism but he doesn't need to be.  Personally, if I had the #1 pick, I'm going Jabari.  Safest thing out there, IMO.


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Positionally, this doesn't shape to be a very good draft for us. All of the top prospects play Jeff Green/Jared Sullinger's position.
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