Giannis Antetokounmpo - Should he be a target for Danny?

[D.o.s.]

More like, he might make Larry Sanders expendable.

This about sums it up.......


They got sum n better ....Sanders is now a dump able asset

I think its Henson who would make Sanders expendable. But, GA, Henson, and Sanders is a bit of a funky fit indeed.

I've been advocating for a LARRY SANDERS! acquisition on this board since he was in college. I remain strongly in support of the idea -- bar fight and all.

Agreed. Sanders would be a solid pickup for us, especially since he seems a little estranged from the Bucks at the moment.

[kozlodoev]

More like, he might make Larry Sanders expendable.

This about sums it up.......


They got sum n better ....Sanders is now a dump able asset

I think its Henson who would make Sanders expendable. But, GA, Henson, and Sanders is a bit of a funky fit indeed.

I've been advocating for a LARRY SANDERS! acquisition on this board since he was in college. I remain strongly in support of the idea -- bar fight and all.

Agreed. Sanders would be a solid pickup for us, especially since he seems a little estranged from the Bucks at the moment.

Sanders is on a poison pill contract, so he'll be really hard to trade for this season. At least given how I understand this type of contracts.

Although the trade machine appears to think we can have Sanders by absorbing his contract via Paul Pierce's exception... and then allows me to tack more players to our side of the trade. That was confusing.

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More like, he might make Larry Sanders expendable.

This about sums it up.......


They got sum n better ....Sanders is now a dump able asset

I think its Henson who would make Sanders expendable. But, GA, Henson, and Sanders is a bit of a funky fit indeed.

I've been advocating for a LARRY SANDERS! acquisition on this board since he was in college. I remain strongly in support of the idea -- bar fight and all.

Agreed. Sanders would be a solid pickup for us, especially since he seems a little estranged from the Bucks at the moment.

Sanders is on a poison pill contract, so he'll be really hard to trade for this season. At least given how I understand this type of contracts.

Although the trade machine appears to think we can have Sanders by absorbing his contract via Paul Pierce's exception... and then allows me to tack more players to our side of the trade. That was confusing.

I've come up with a few scenarios that work, though they tend to involve a fairly high volume of total salary on both ends, which probably makes a deal less likely. Meanwhile, Rondo is probably too much for him (unless they take back a bunch of salary, etc, as I suggested here: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=68435.0), and no one else on our roster makes much sense for him / provides enough value to the Bucks.

The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

[kozlodoev]

The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

After a little more research, it seems like the TPE trade is a single-player only affair (plus any picks + cash that exchange hands) -- and I don't think that Sanders can be had for picks, sadly.

[Fafnir]

The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

After a little more research, it seems like the TPE trade is a single-player only affair (plus any picks + cash that exchange hands) -- and I don't think that Sanders can be had for picks, sadly.

You can split it I believe but yeah it can only be used to soak up one player at a time.

[slamtheking]

If Antetokounmpo has such a supposedly high ceiling, why do you think Ainge drafted Olynyk instead?

this is the $64,000 question that's being overlooked here.

With the exception of Melo and Giddens, I haven't seen anything really questionable in Danny's draft picks (when they were made).  The move to grab KO over GA would be something worth taking into account when it comes to speculating the eventual playing level of this kid.

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The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

After a little more research, it seems like the TPE trade is a single-player only affair (plus any picks + cash that exchange hands) -- and I don't think that Sanders can be had for picks, sadly.

I'd assumed as much, just the question of whether the standard PPP practices apply to at Trade Exception as if it were another trade (i.e. incoming salary fit)

And I'm not sure the pick element is 100%. Kohl has been adverse to trades / signings that take a step back (at least in plan), but if things keep going downhill there, I bet most NBA minds would turn them into tankers. Just saw this on a Chad Ford chat:


Derrick B (Milwaukee): Should the Bucks just throw in the towel? Should they just go ahead and have a fire sale?

Chad Ford: Yes. I can't think of a team that has a better justification to tank than the Bucks. They aren't luring young stars to Milwaukee via free agency. They need to build through the draft. There are some nice young pieces there already. Antetokounmpo, John Henson ... maybe Brandon Knight, Larry Sanders. They need a Top 5 pick as badly as any team in the NBA right now. Wish their owner Herb Kohl could see that.

Sanders might be the top asset they're not completely adverse to parting with considering, a) his paygrade, b) his less-than-ideal start to 2013-14, and c) his not-so-perfect fit with Henson (who they love), and even more so when you factor GA next to them both.

My point: a Sanders for high-but-protected pick is not out of the question, even if it's a little unlikely.

[slamtheking]

The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

After a little more research, it seems like the TPE trade is a single-player only affair (plus any picks + cash that exchange hands) -- and I don't think that Sanders can be had for picks, sadly.

I'd assumed as much, just the question of whether the standard PPP practices apply to at Trade Exception as if it were another trade (i.e. incoming salary fit)

And I'm not sure the pick element is 100%. Kohl has been adverse to trades / signings that take a step back (at least in plan), but if things keep going downhill there, I bet most NBA minds would turn them into tankers. Just saw this on a Chad Ford chat:


Derrick B (Milwaukee): Should the Bucks just throw in the towel? Should they just go ahead and have a fire sale?

Chad Ford: Yes. I can't think of a team that has a better justification to tank than the Bucks. They aren't luring young stars to Milwaukee via free agency. They need to build through the draft. There are some nice young pieces there already. Antetokounmpo, John Henson ... maybe Brandon Knight, Larry Sanders. They need a Top 5 pick as badly as any team in the NBA right now. Wish their owner Herb Kohl could see that.

Sanders might be the top asset they're not completely adverse to parting with considering, a) his paygrade, b) his less-than-ideal start to 2013-14, and c) his not-so-perfect fit with Henson (who they love), and even more so when you factor GA next to them both.

My point: a Sanders for high-but-protected pick is not out of the question, even if it's a little unlikely.

I wouldn't offer a high pick but perhaps the Net/Hawks pick this year.  Deep draft, probably in mid teens.  They could reasonably get a player of Sanders' caliber.   (not including the players we'd have to send to make the $ work.)

he's limited offensively and currently tagged with the 'bonehead' label.  I wouldn't overpay for him.  he won't put us over the top as a contender but he's a solid starting center

[LooseCannon]

If Antetokounmpo has such a supposedly high ceiling, why do you think Ainge drafted Olynyk instead?

this is the $64,000 question that's being overlooked here.

With the exception of Melo and Giddens, I haven't seen anything really questionable in Danny's draft picks (when they were made).  The move to grab KO over GA would be something worth taking into account when it comes to speculating the eventual playing level of this kid.

Maybe Ainge is interested in competing a lot sooner than some people think and GA seemed like too long-term of a project, while KO seemed like a better fit around Rondo.

[mmmmm]

The PPP contract for a Trade Exception question is an interesting one. Anyone know the definitive answer? Sanders makes $3mil this season, and $11mil the next. The Pierce exception is $10.3mil, it looks like.

After a little more research, it seems like the TPE trade is a single-player only affair (plus any picks + cash that exchange hands) -- and I don't think that Sanders can be had for picks, sadly.

Well, the rule just means that the TPE cannot be combined with other (outgoing) contracts in order to match a single contract coming in.

It can still be part of a larger deal involving more players.  Each team on each side is allowed to declare how they are combining the various salaries or not.  The rules have to be met on each side for each team, but they are not necessarily identical groupings.

The reason each team is given that flexibility is to facilitate deals with 3 or more teams.  Plus each team will have different rules governing incoming/outgoing salary matching depending on where they are relative to the salary cap.

So the TPE can be used to receive a single player making up to 10.3M (within the tolerances set by the CBA.  'Don't know the percentages off the top of my head) without having to send out any matching salary.

In _parallel_ with that, you can have an additional exchange of other players that provides compensatory value to the other team.  That side deal must, of course, meet salary exchange rules on it's own for the Celtics.  It can be combined with the TPE deal for the other team.

And of course, cash and picks can be tacked on to either deal to 'balance' the value.

All that said, I don't know of a Sanders deal can work or not.  I have not looked into it.

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Anyone? Roy?