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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo - Should he be a target for Danny?
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2013, 08:43:10 PM »

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I will say that in a ****** draft, it's hard to believe GA went as late as he did. I advocate for taking solid role players in the late teens and twenties, but -- if you're in a down draft, where the marginal role guys are turtling at around 5 or 6... ga head and reach for a guy like this.

That's also the argument for gambling on Fab Melo, right?
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2013, 09:31:02 PM »

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No because the Bucks won't trade him
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2013, 09:45:52 PM »

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More like, he might make Larry Sanders expendable.


This about sums it up.......


They got sum n better ....Sanders is now a dump able asset

I think its Henson who would make Sanders expendable. But, GA, Henson, and Sanders is a bit of a funky fit indeed.

I've been advocating for a LARRY SANDERS! acquisition on this board since he was in college. I remain strongly in support of the idea -- bar fight and all.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 10:02:01 PM »

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I will say that in a ****** draft, it's hard to believe GA went as late as he did. I advocate for taking solid role players in the late teens and twenties, but -- if you're in a down draft, where the marginal role guys are turtling at around 5 or 6... ga head and reach for a guy like this.

That's also the argument for gambling on Fab Melo, right?

Did you buy Fab was a good prospect?

I don't really follow the Fab association. No player profile similarities as prospects.

Gerald Green would be closer, though he was selected in a better draft. If Gerald had an IQ he would have been worth picking higher. By all accounts, Ante is a bright kid.



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Re: Giannis Antetokounmpo - Should he be a target for Danny?
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 10:31:17 PM »

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I will say that in a ****** draft, it's hard to believe GA went as late as he did. I advocate for taking solid role players in the late teens and twenties, but -- if you're in a down draft, where the marginal role guys are turtling at around 5 or 6... ga head and reach for a guy like this.

That's also the argument for gambling on Fab Melo, right?

Did you buy Fab was a good prospect?

I don't really follow the Fab association. No player profile similarities as prospects.

Gerald Green would be closer, though he was selected in a better draft. If Gerald had an IQ he would have been worth picking higher. By all accounts, Ante is a bright kid.

I didn't think Fab Melo was a good choice, but I can see the appeal of him for people who prefer prospects with prototypical size and good physical tools.  As someone who thinks Avery Bradley should be a starting SG and not coming off the bench, I think having prototypical size is an over-rated attribute. 

GA is better than Melo in terms of size and athleticism, but they both fit the basic idea of a foreigner with an NBA body who was perceived as a project.  There were questions about how well they could be evaluated, Giannis because he was playing in Greece, Fab because he was part of the Syracuse zone defense.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2013, 06:51:54 AM »

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This ship has sailed DA hyped him leading up to the draft presumably as propaganda to try to push him ahead of the Cs pick. I cant see the bucks trading him for anything the Cs are offering at this point.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 06:55:34 AM »

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I will say that in a ****** draft, it's hard to believe GA went as late as he did. I advocate for taking solid role players in the late teens and twenties, but -- if you're in a down draft, where the marginal role guys are turtling at around 5 or 6... ga head and reach for a guy like this.

That's also the argument for gambling on Fab Melo, right?

Did you buy Fab was a good prospect?

I don't really follow the Fab association. No player profile similarities as prospects.

Gerald Green would be closer, though he was selected in a better draft. If Gerald had an IQ he would have been worth picking higher. By all accounts, Ante is a bright kid.

I think what he is saying is that Fab was raw but had the physical tools to be an above average starting center in the NBA. Projecting the draft Giannis was viewed as super raw with elite physical tools.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2013, 08:21:04 AM »

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If Antetokounmpo has such a supposedly high ceiling, why do you think Ainge drafted Olynyk instead?

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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 09:03:08 AM »

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Imo he looked 5 times better in the greek league vs nba. Has long strides and generous wingspan, but is not quick nor overly athletic. A horrid lookng jump shot

Not sure about his future as a starter
He looks like he has a great future to me.  I really like how he plays and seems to understand the game at a young age.  Paul George may be pushing it, but he looks like Toni Kukoc to me.

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2013, 09:05:38 AM »

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Imo he looked 5 times better in the greek league vs nba. Has long strides and generous wingspan, but is not quick nor overly athletic. A horrid lookng jump shot

Not sure about his future as a starter
He looks like he has a great future to me.  I really like how he plays and seems to understand the game at a young age.  Paul George may be pushing it, but he looks like Toni Kukoc to me.
Who knows, his game is so incredibly raw its hard to tell what he'll become. How the Bucks work with him is going to determine his path, he could become a Boris Diaw type or Kukoc, or anything really.

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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2013, 09:15:28 AM »

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Imo he looked 5 times better in the greek league vs nba. Has long strides and generous wingspan, but is not quick nor overly athletic. A horrid lookng jump shot

Not sure about his future as a starter
He looks like he has a great future to me.  I really like how he plays and seems to understand the game at a young age.  Paul George may be pushing it, but he looks like Toni Kukoc to me.
Who knows, his game is so incredibly raw its hard to tell what he'll become. How the Bucks work with him is going to determine his path, he could become a Boris Diaw type or Kukoc, or anything really.
He seems like he will be able to run and do a lot more fast break stuff than Diaw.  Although I have a hard time remembering the young thin Diaw.

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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 09:18:20 AM »

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Milwaukee is the worst team in basketball.  They aren't trading their young players with potential.  So I think Caron Butler and Gary Neal would be available pretty cheaply.  I also think Ilyasova and Sanders could be available given their contract and/or injury situations, but Milwaukee is going to want draft picks and young players to move either of them and they aren't going to sell them cheap (since it isn't like they are winning with them).
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Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013, 09:19:57 AM »

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Also, this is the kid I wanted Boston to draft last year.  I could have sworn when the trade was announced and Boston was moving up, it was to draft this kid.  Was disappointed with the Olynyk selection, but at least when healthy he has played fairly well softening the blow.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2013, 09:20:53 AM »

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Imo he looked 5 times better in the greek league vs nba. Has long strides and generous wingspan, but is not quick nor overly athletic. A horrid lookng jump shot

Not sure about his future as a starter
He looks like he has a great future to me.  I really like how he plays and seems to understand the game at a young age.  Paul George may be pushing it, but he looks like Toni Kukoc to me.
Who knows, his game is so incredibly raw its hard to tell what he'll become. How the Bucks work with him is going to determine his path, he could become a Boris Diaw type or Kukoc, or anything really.
He seems like he will be able to run and do a lot more fast break stuff than Diaw.  Although I have a hard time remembering the young thin Diaw.
Diaw was a wonderful ball handler, scary on the fast break similar to Odom/KG when they would rebound and run up the court. He wasn't able to hack PG full time like they tried in Atlanta, but a very skilled forward.

So weird to see him older and so much fatter now.

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2013, 09:25:12 AM »

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Imo he looked 5 times better in the greek league vs nba. Has long strides and generous wingspan, but is not quick nor overly athletic. A horrid lookng jump shot

Not sure about his future as a starter
He looks like he has a great future to me.  I really like how he plays and seems to understand the game at a young age.  Paul George may be pushing it, but he looks like Toni Kukoc to me.
Who knows, his game is so incredibly raw its hard to tell what he'll become. How the Bucks work with him is going to determine his path, he could become a Boris Diaw type or Kukoc, or anything really.
He seems like he will be able to run and do a lot more fast break stuff than Diaw.  Although I have a hard time remembering the young thin Diaw.
Diaw was a wonderful ball handler, scary on the fast break similar to Odom/KG when they would rebound and run up the court. He wasn't able to hack PG full time like they tried in Atlanta, but a very skilled forward.

So weird to see him older and so much fatter now.
Yeah.  As soon as he went to the Suns he kind of drifted to the low post.  The anti Antoine drift.  He hit the buffets like Antoine though.