Trade idea: Boozer for Crawford, Bass, and Lee

[Smitty77]

This might need to be expanded, but what are your thoughts on this?  It frees up space to us after next year.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6365495

We would need to include Marshon so we are not taking on more money this year.  This move, including Brooks, would save us a little this year, but cost us 1.69m more next year, the year that Boozer expires.

Thoughts?

This would give the Bulls a starting PG and a rotation SG and a good outside shooting PF with playoff experience in Bass.

Smitty77

[sofutomygaha]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

[Smitty77]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

They are paying Taj a LOT of money since he re-upped with them.  He needs to simply fill that void that might be left by Booz.

Smitty

[Smitty77]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

The Bulls would be increasing their points per game by about 15 points assuming they cut Marshon. 

[sofutomygaha]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

The Bulls would be increasing their points per game by about 15 points assuming they cut Marshon.

tell me more- how do you figure that?

[Smitty77]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

The Bulls would be increasing their points per game by about 15 points assuming they cut Marshon.

tell me more- how do you figure that?

From Realgm Tradechecker:


Change in Team Outlook: +14.8 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +5.1 apg.
Incoming Players
   Brandon Bass
28 year old , 6-8, 250 lb PF from LSU
11.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.0 minutes
   Courtney Lee
28 year old , 6-5, 200 lb SG from Western Kentucky
7.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.9 minutes
   Jordan Crawford
25 year old , 6-4, 195 lb G from Xavier
12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.9 apg in 28.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
   Carlos Boozer
32 year old , 6-9, 266 lb PF from Duke
16.0 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 30.2 minutes in 2013-2014
 

[sofutomygaha]

Interesting, but I think that the Bulls desperately need Boozer's offense right now.

The Bulls would be increasing their points per game by about 15 points assuming they cut Marshon.

tell me more- how do you figure that?

From Realgm Tradechecker:


Change in Team Outlook: +14.8 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +5.1 apg.
Incoming Players
   Brandon Bass
28 year old , 6-8, 250 lb PF from LSU
11.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.0 minutes
   Courtney Lee
28 year old , 6-5, 200 lb SG from Western Kentucky
7.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.9 minutes
   Jordan Crawford
25 year old , 6-4, 195 lb G from Xavier
12.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.9 apg in 28.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
   Carlos Boozer
32 year old , 6-9, 266 lb PF from Duke
16.0 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 30.2 minutes in 2013-2014

You're not going to cram all the Lee-Crawford-Bass scoring into Boozer's 30 minutes, man. You're going to replace Boozer's 16 points in 30 minutes with Bass's 11 points and then you're going to put Lee and Crawford into the Bulls rotation to mix in with Teague, Snell, and Butler.

[sofutomygaha]

I think the reason realgm is predicting a 15 point swing is because it has very low scoring rates expected from Teague and Snell, from whom Crawford and Lee would be taking minutes. That's just because Teague and Snell don't have track records yet

[Smitty77]

I think the reason realgm is predicting a 15 point swing is because it has very low scoring rates expected from Teague and Snell, from whom Crawford and Lee would be taking minutes. That's just because Teague and Snell don't have track records yet

Teague is really bad.  He has the second worst PER according to ESPN on the entire Bulls' team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/chi/chicago-bulls

Snell has potential, but he is shooting less than 31% from three compared to Lee's current rate of 48%.  That is a HUGE difference.  Also, Sneel is 6' 7" and is a SF and Lee is a SG.

Smitty77

[aporel#18]

Quite creative idea, but wouldn't work. What Chicago needs is cap relieve, and taking on Bass and Lee would not cut it.

Humphries+Lee is a better offer, and could make more sense to the Bulls FO, who are thinking about using amnesty provision on Boozer because of their cap limitations to resign Deng and/or bring Mirotic from Europe next season. Sending Hump's big expiring allows them to save a lot of money while getting almost the same financial flexibility.

Of course, they should send us the Charlotte 2014 first round pick (top 10 protected and probably a late teen pick). That pick, and the fact the Cs would cut 2M in salaries makes the trade a win win.

If the Bulls don't want to take on Lee's salary, you can wait until mid-December and send Bogans instead.

[action781]

I think the reason realgm is predicting a 15 point swing is because it has very low scoring rates expected from Teague and Snell, from whom Crawford and Lee would be taking minutes. That's just because Teague and Snell don't have track records yet

No.  The reason realgm is "predicting" a 15 point swing is because so far this season those 3 celtics players have combined for 15ppg more in their combined 73.9 mpg than Boozer has in his 30mpg.

It has nothing to do with rates of replacement players.  This prediction is strictly flawed by the volume of the celtics minutes compared to that of boozer's.

[JBcat]

I don't think the Bulls would do this because it won't really give them cap relief for next year to be able to extend Deng without going into the luxury tax.  It might have to be something like I proposed in the 3 team trade idea thread with the Bull/Knicks/Celtics with the Bulls ending up with cap relief with Humphries contract to go along with Lee and Shumpert.

[LooseCannon]

Seriously, people.  11.1+7.6+12.2-16.0=14.9

It's math, but it's not rocket science.

By the way, dumping that trade into the ESPN trade machine has the Bulls +1 win and the Celtics -10 wins.

[Smitty77]

Quite creative idea, but wouldn't work. What Chicago needs is cap relieve, and taking on Bass and Lee would not cut it.

Humphries+Lee is a better offer, and could make more sense to the Bulls FO, who are thinking about using amnesty provision on Boozer because of their cap limitations to resign Deng and/or bring Mirotic from Europe next season. Sending Hump's big expiring allows them to save a lot of money while getting almost the same financial flexibility.

Of course, they should send us the Charlotte 2014 first round pick (top 10 protected and probably a late teen pick). That pick, and the fact the Cs would cut 2M in salaries makes the trade a win win.

If the Bulls don't want to take on Lee's salary, you can wait until mid-December and send Bogans instead.

I also like your idea!!  My deal does save the Bulls money next year though:-))

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

I don't think the Bulls would do this because it won't really give them cap relief for next year to be able to extend Deng without going into the luxury tax.  It might have to be something like I proposed in the 3 team trade idea thread with the Bull/Knicks/Celtics with the Bulls ending up with cap relief with Humphries contract to go along with Lee and Shumpert.

It does create a little room for them next year and also lets them compete this year IF Crawfish can continue his solid play and fits in like Nate did last year!!

Smitty77