Should we pursue or trade for Dion?

[Monkhouse]

The Cleveland Cavaliers appear ready to move on from a future that includes second-year guard and fourth overall pick Dion Waiters. According to ESPN's Chris Broussard, the Cavs are actively shopping Waiters and have discussed potential trades with the Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers.

While no deal is imminent, Broussard added that Waiters is open to being traded after falling somewhat into the doghouse of coach Mike Brown. Waiters is averaging 13 points, three rebounds and 2.3 assists per game this season but has been coming off the bench behind undrafted rookie Matthew Dellavedova.

Waiters missed two games this season because of a flu-like illness, according to the Cavs. That came after reports surfaced of an altercation during a players-only meeting. Waiters needed to defend himself and deny the rumor of a physical altercation when he returned.

Irving called the meeting after the game and every player spoke. When Waiters was given the floor, he criticized Thompson and Irving, accusing them of playing "buddy ball'' and often refusing to pass to him. Thompson took umbrage with Waiters' words and went back at him verbally. The two confronted each other but teammates intervened before it could escalate into a fight

However, the two guards are not close. Waiters believes the Cavaliers have a double standard when it comes to Irving, sources said. He feels that while Irving is allowed to get away with loafing defensively, making turnovers and taking bad shots, he is taken out of the game for such things. Waiters has shared his views with Brown and Grant.

Waiters is slumping after his promising rookie season -- both his scoring and shooting percentage have dropped this season.

Knicks and Bulls are apparently interested. Knicks at this point do not want to give up Shumpert. I mean who else is the Knicks not interested in getting at this point? The Bulls may look for a PG that can score like Rose. Waiters can possibly do it.

I don't mind us possibly shipping someone that they might need. If we were to pursue him, who do you think we should trade for him?

[Stizz44]

Who we gonna send to Cleveland?


Cavs want - Shumpert (NYK), Deng (Chi), Evan Turner (Philly)

[Who]

Looks like a career backup SG. Minimal interest.

[stes]

I believe they'd want some SF in return, he's clearly not worth Green and they'd have no interest in Wallace. If they'd bite on Lee (vet, better off-ball, spot-up player) and/or Jcraw (similar to Waiters, imo, only slimmer) then sure, why not. He'd be a nice back-up, ball-handling scorer of the bench. No first rounders for him, though.

[Endless Paradise]

I believe they'd want some SF in return, he's clearly not worth Green and they'd have no interest in Wallace. If they'd bite on Lee (vet, better off-ball, spot-up player) and/or Jcraw (similar to Waiters, imo, only slimmer) then sure, why not. He'd be a nice back-up, ball-handling scorer of the bench. No first rounders for him, though.

Sounds about fair to me.

[Stizz44]

I believe they'd want some SF in return, he's clearly not worth Green and they'd have no interest in Wallace. If they'd bite on Lee (vet, better off-ball, spot-up player) and/or Jcraw (similar to Waiters, imo, only slimmer) then sure, why not. He'd be a nice back-up, ball-handling scorer of the bench. No first rounders for him, though.

Based off the way the CAVS draft, I can realistically see Jordan Crawford for Dion Waiters happening. But based off the real life, that deal would be a complete steal for the C's.

[JBcat]

I wonder if he would fit in in Philly with his former college teammate Carter-Williams.   For the Cavs to get Evan Turner though I imagine they would have to give up much more than Waiters with the way Turner is playing. 

Don't have much interest for him on the C's if it looks like he will be disruptive in the locker room. 

[Monkhouse]

I wonder if he would fit in in Philly with his former college teammate Carter-Williams.   For the Cavs to get Evan Turner though I imagine they would have to give up much more than Waiters with the way Turner is playing. 

Don't have much interest for him on the C's if it looks like he will be disruptive in the locker room.

The problem is that he felt he wasn't getting enough touches, and the coach would always bench or put him in the doghouse for making rookie mistakes.

I'm pretty sure if the Sixers want Waiters, that there is going to be a draft picked added or two. And I don't know if the Cavs want to do that.

[Tr1boy]

Give them jcraw while his value is artificially high. Add a 2nd or late 1st

I like waiters and his ability to score off the bench

[Surferdad]

Give them jcraw while his value is artificially high. Add a 2nd or late 1st

I like waiters and his ability to score off the bench

I think JCraw could be showing real development here rather than phantom high value.  He has a situation here with Rondo out to really show he can be a bonafode PG in addition to being a scorer. I would not trade him straight up for a crybaby like Waiters, much less add a pick.

[Endless Paradise]

Give them jcraw while his value is artificially high. Add a 2nd or late 1st

I like waiters and his ability to score off the bench

I think JCraw could be showing real development here rather than phantom high value.  He has a situation here with Rondo out to really show he can be a bonafode PG in addition to being a scorer. I would not trade him straight up for a crybaby like Waiters, much less add a pick.

You realize Crawford ended up in Boston essentially by being a "crybaby" in Washington, right?  Just saying I don't think that's really the argument you want to make if you don't like this trade.

[ssspence]

guy is apparently a (9 letter word). pass.

if Cleveland had any chance of getting LBJ back, they needed to take VO 1st in last years draft. they made a bad mistake -- and proved they're clueless to LeBron -- at the same time. ugh.

[JBcat]

Give them jcraw while his value is artificially high. Add a 2nd or late 1st

I like waiters and his ability to score off the bench

I think JCraw could be showing real development here rather than phantom high value.  He has a situation here with Rondo out to really show he can be a bonafode PG in addition to being a scorer. I would not trade him straight up for a crybaby like Waiters, much less add a pick.

You realize Crawford ended up in Boston essentially by being a "crybaby" in Washington, right?  Just saying I don't think that's really the argument you want to make if you don't like this trade.

A JCraw for Waiters trade would give us 5 shooting guards.  lol  We would have only Pressey at the point until Rondo comes back, unless if you want to start the Bradley experiment there again.

[LooseCannon]

He doesn't seem to be a better shooter than Avery Bradley.  He's not a better defender.  (Does being part of the same Syracuse zone defense as Fab Melo count against him?)  In fact, lack of effort on defense seems to be a common complaint about him.  If that is a problem, I can see him behind Marshon Brooks on the depth chart.

[Tr1boy]

He doesn't seem to be a better shooter than Avery Bradley.  He's not a better defender.  (Does being part of the same Syracuse zone defense as Fab Melo count against him?)  In fact, lack of effort on defense seems to be a common complaint about him.  If that is a problem, I can see him behind Marshon Brooks on the depth chart.

Waiters defense has improved. His ability to score the mid range basket is paul pierce like. Lots of crafty ways to get it done.

The difference between him and brooks is that, he knows when to pass when double teamed. Higher iq

I do believe the irving complaint. The guy is overrated