Strictly Hypothetical: Would You Deal Rondo for Rose?

[playdream]

No way Rose can be himself anymore
i wouldn't want him next year, even Crawford is more useful

[connor]

Yup. I would pull the trigger on that deal real quick.

And no I'm not one of those guys who hates Rondo, nor did I ever think that the C's were better off last year when he was off the court. I love Rondo, but Rose is just too much of a beast.

The injuries are concerning, but the docs say they expect 100% recovery, and although there was a lot of rust on his game this season I don't think he lost the explosiveness his game is based on. And there is a similar element of risk with Rondo's knee.

I think it'd be easier to build a championship team around Rose, a more traditional point guard, than Rondo who is more of a facilitator. You'd be lucky to have either, but give me the guy who averaged over 20 points a game for the last 3 seasons. to build around, especially if he is locked up for 3 more seasons past this one.

The Celtics would be basically guaranteed a large number of ping pong balls in a loaded class, and hopefully can draft a guy to go along their other promising young talent and a healthy Rose. If they can find a way to clear some of the dead weight contracts and open up some cap space, I think they'd be a perennial contender barring injury (which is obviously a fairly big if at this point).

[guava_wrench]

The injuries are concerning, but the docs say they expect 100% recovery, and although there was a lot of rust on his game this season I don't think he lost the explosiveness his game is based on. And there is a similar element of risk with Rondo's knee.

I think it'd be easier to build a championship team around Rose, a more traditional point guard, than Rondo who is more of a facilitator. You'd be lucky to have either, but give me the guy who averaged over 20 points a game for the last 3 seasons. to build around, especially if he is locked up for 3 more seasons past this one.

Rose is a 'more traditional point guard'? He mostly just penetrates and is the scoring focus of his offense.

Rose has a unique game that puts a uniquely high level of stress on his legs. He changes direction like no one else. Without explosiveness, he is average since he is not a good shooter and is nothing special passing. He will always be injury prone unless he changes his game, which would make him far less valuable.

[Celtics4ever]

Rose is a SG trapped in a PG body.

[Moranis]

I would.  worth the risk.

[crimson_stallion]

No, I absolutely would not.
 
When both guys are healthy and at their best, still think Rose is one of the most overhyped and overrated Point Guards in the NBA.
 
Don’t get me wrong he is a very good player and a legit All-Star candidate, but I don’t consider him to be an ELITE player when you consider how many talented shoot-first PG’s are in this league.
 
I think that highly skilled pass-first point guards are far harder to find in this league and overall I consider Rondo a far better PG, and quite possibly a better player. I’ll explain why below.

Note:
All statistics quoted below are taken from hoopdata.  Every stat is an average of the respective player's stat over their last four four (4) seasons in the NBA.  For example, the statistic quoted for Derek Rose' shooting percentage at the rim is actually the average of what he has shot at the rim over his past four seasons.  This presents a broader view of the players performance over the years as a whole, and helps to allow for players who have had inconsistent careers.

Part 1 – Pure Point Guard Skills
First of all let us look at Rose’s ability as a pure PG, starting with his assist rate.
 

NBA Player	Assist Rate	Rank
Rajon Rondo	64	1
Steve Nash	62	2
Chris Paul	51	3
Deron Williams	44	4
Tony Parker	35	5
Andre Iguodala	35	6
Derek Rose	31	7
R Westbrook	30	8
Dwyane Wade	25	9
Tyreke Evans	24	10
Jordan Crawford	19	11

So Rose is clearly a skilled passer. I’d consider guys like Jordan Crawford, Tyreke Evans and Dwyane Wade to be above average combo guards in terms of passing ability. I’d consider guys like Tony Parker and Andre Iguodala to be excellent combo guards. Rose (like Westbrook) lies somewhere in the middle very good PG skills by combo guard standards, but not good enough to be considered a proper PG (such as Deron, CP3, Nash and Rondo).
 
The other factor for a PG aside from generate assists, is the ability to hold on to the ball. In terms of turnover rate, Rose is pretty much on comparable with other combo guards out there who handle the ball a lot:
 

NBA Player	Turnover Rate	Rank
Chris Paul	11.7	1
Dwyane Wade	11.8	2
Jordan Crawford	12.5	3
Derek Rose	13.0	4
Tony Parker	13.0	5
Tyreke Evans	13.4	6
Andre Iguodala	13.5	7
R Westbrook	14.2	8
Deron Williams	15.4	9
Rajon Rondo	20.1	10
Steve Nash	21.2	11

So Rose does a pretty good job of not turning the ball over given how often he handles the ball, but his turnover rate is still pretty middle of the pack. Lets calculate the Assist Rate / Turover Rate to create a makeshift “Assist/Turnover Rate”:
 

NBA Player	Ast /TO Rate	Rank
Chris Paul	4.4	1
Rajon Rondo	3.2	2
Steve Nash	2.9	3
Deron Williams	2.9	4
Tony Parker	2.7	5
Andre Iguodala	2.6	6
Derek Rose	2.4	7
Dwyane Wade	2.2	8
R Westbrook	2.1	9
Tyreke Evans	1.8	10
Jordan Crawford	1.5	11

So now we can clearly see that Rose lies squarely in “Combo Guard” territory in terms of his pure point guard skills. He is really no more a pure PG than someone like Iggy or D-Wade…he mostly just plays the position because of his lack of height and the Bulls lack of a more suitable player at the position.
 
Part 2 – Scoring – Shooting From the field
Now we have established that Rose clearly doesn’t have the skills to be a pure PG. If he is as elite as people say, his main talent must be scoring. Is he really an elite scorer though? Let’s see.
 
Offensively Rose is most famous for his elite ability to finish at the basket off dribble penetration. Let’s see how he compares to the other guys on this list in his ability to finish at the rim:
 

NBA Player	At the Basket	Rank
Steve Nash	72.4%	1
Dwyane Wade	68.5%	2
Tony Parker	65.6%	3
Chris Paul	64.6%	4
Rajon Rondo	62.1%	5
Tyreke Evans	61.6%	6
Jordan Crawford	61.5%	7
Deron Williams	60.3%	8
R Westbrook	59.8%	9
Derek Rose	57.8%	10
Andre Iguodala	55.6%	11

Ok then…not so elite after all. Every single player on this list except Iggy scores more effectively around the basket than Rose does. In fact Rondo is far above him in this regard, and seems to be much underrated in his ability to finish around the basket.
 

NBA Player	3-9 Feet	Rank
Steve Nash	51.8%	1
Chris Paul	47.1%	2
Derek Rose	47.0%	3
Jordan Crawford	43.5%	4
Tony Parker	42.2%	5
Deron Williams	40.6%	6
Dwyane Wade	39.5%	7
R Westbrook	38.1%	8
Rajon Rondo	36.0%	9
Andre Iguodala	34.4%	10
Tyreke Evans	28.0%	11

Ok, finally we have found an area in which Derek Rose really excels. He is an elite finisher from 3-9 feet, and his 47% from that area is very impressive.
 

NBA Player	10-15 Feet	Rank
Steve Nash	51.2%	1
Chris Paul	47.1%	2
Jordan Crawford	46.9%	3
Tony Parker	42.2%	4
Derek Rose	41.7%	5
Deron Williams	40.6%	6
Dwyane Wade	39.5%	7
R Westbrook	38.1%	8
Rajon Rondo	36.0%	9
Andre Iguodala	34.4%	10
Tyreke Evans	22.2%	11

Ok, so yet another area where Rose is pretty much dead on average. The top shooters at the guard spot seem to be up around 47% from 10-15 feet, while the sub-par ones seem to be down around 36% (ignoring Tyreke – ugh). Rose’s 41% is more or less right in the middle, maybe slightly above average at best. The shock here is Jordan Crawford – he’s been ranking pretty well in every category so far…better player than I thought!!
 

NBA Player	16-23 Feet	Rank
Steve Nash	48.5%	1
Chris Paul	46.0%	2
Derek Rose	40.5%	3
Rajon Rondo	40.3%	4
Tony Parker	39.0%	5
R Westbrook	38.5%	6
Deron Williams	38.3%	7
Dwyane Wade	37.8%	8
Jordan Crawford	37.3%	9
Andre Iguodala	34.5%	10
Tyreke Evans	31.5%	11

Another area where Rose is roughly average, maybe only just above average. Pretty much on par with Rondo, Parker, Westbrook, Deron here. Not on the elite level of Nash/Paul nor the horribly mediocre level of Iggy/Tyreke – right in between.
 

NBA Player	Three Point	Rank
Steve Nash	41.2%	1
Chris Paul	37.4%	2
Andre Iguodala	33.9%	3
Deron Williams	33.3%	4
Tony Parker	30.7%	5
Jordan Crawford	29.9%	6
R Westbrook	29.8%	7
Derek Rose	28.3%	8
Dwyane Wade	28.2%	9
Tyreke Evans	27.0%	10
Rajon Rondo	23.1%	11

Rose is clearly average, maybe a tad below average from three.
 
We are starting to see a general trend here:
 
* Nash and Paul are deadly scorers from everywhere on the court
 
* Parker is pretty solid from anywhere on the court
 
* Crawford is pretty much elite within 15 feet, mediocre beyond that
 
* Tyreke is probably one of the worst scorers in the NBA and woeful from anywhere
 
Rose’s reputation as an elite scorer has me scratching my head. With the exception of that 3-9 foot range (where he is truly elite) Rose is otherwise a really average scorer from every other spot on the floor.
 
Part 3 – The free throw line
Part of Rose’s reputation as an elite scorer revolves around his ability to get to the line and finish with contact. Let’s see how he compared to the others in those two areas:
 

NBA Player	FTR	Rank
Dwyane Wade	0.42	1
R Westbrook	0.38	2
Deron Williams	0.36	3
Chris Paul	0.36	4
Andre Iguodala	0.35	5
Tyreke Evans	0.33	6
Tony Parker	0.32	7
Derek Rose	0.29	8
Steve Nash	0.26	9
Rajon Rondo	0.23	10
Jordan Crawford	0.22	11

Once again, Rose is pretty average in terms of his ability to get to the line. Guys like Deron, CP3 and Westbrook all get to the line far more often than Rose does.
 

NBA Player	And1	Rank
Dwyane Wade	0.78	1
R Westbrook	0.56	2
Derek Rose	0.54	3
Deron Williams	0.49	4
Tony Parker	0.46	5
Tyreke Evans	0.44	6
Chris Paul	0.31	7
Andre Iguodala	0.31	7
Jordan Crawford	0.24	9
Rajon Rondo	0.24	9
Steve Nash	0.14	11

Finally, the penny drops and things start to make sense. We can now see how guys like Wade, Westbrook Rose and Tyreke get all of their points – from And1’s. All of these guys rank somewhere between average and mediocre from the field overall, but they are clearly very skilled at finishing with contact. Rose in that regard is up there with the best – he doesn’t get to the line often, but when he does he usually makes the shot as well.
 
Rondo actually gets to the line almost as often as Rose does, and the ‘eye test’ tells me that he connects on those shots pretty often. I think Rondo’s poor free throw shooting really hurts him in this regard, and if he were even a 75% shooter I think he’d be ranked somewhere between Tyreke and CP3 on this list.
 
Part 4 – Rebounding
So Point Guards are generally depended on to run the offense, and we like them to be able to score a bit too. There are some other areas in which guards don’t get enough credit – rebounding. Let’s see how Rose rates here.
 

NBA Player	Off-RR	Rank
R Westbrook	5.3	1
Dwyane Wade	5.1	2
Rajon Rondo	4.1	3
Andre Iguodala	3.0	4
Derek Rose	2.9	5
Tyreke Evans	2.9	6
Jordan Crawford	2.8	7
Chris Paul	2.0	8
Steve Nash	1.7	9
Deron Williams	1.6	10
Tony Parker	1.1	11

I would say Rose is about an average offensive rebounder for a guard. While it’s impressive that he is up there with guys like Crawford, Iggy and Evans (who are all SGs and a good 2” taller) at the same time there is just as much gap between him and the top offensive rebounders (Rondo, Wade, etc) as there is between him and the less impressive offensive rebounders (Paul, Parker). By defininition that tells me he is middle of the pack.
 

NBA Player	Def -RR	Rank
Andre Iguodala	15.5	1
Tyreke Evans	12.9	2
Dwyane Wade	12.4	3
Rajon Rondo	11.2	4
Chris Paul	11.0	5
R Westbrook	10.4	6
Deron Williams	10.3	7
Jordan Crawford	9.5	8
Steve Nash	9.1	9
Tony Parker	8.9	10
Derek Rose	8.7	11

As a defensive rebounder Rose is terrible, and dead last in this group. That’s a worry considering the group consists of guys like Nash, Paul and Parker who are all shorter, less physically gifted and not really known as top rate rebounders.
 

NBA Player	Tot-RR	Rank
Andre Iguodala	9.2	1
Dwyane Wade	8.9	2
Rajon Rondo	7.9	3
R Westbrook	7.9	3
Tyreke Evans	7.8	5
Chris Paul	6.5	6
Jordan Crawford	6.2	7
Derek Rose	5.9	8
Deron Williams	5.9	8
Steve Nash	5.5	10
Tony Parker	5.1	11

The total rebounding rate pretty much sums it up. People claim that Rose is an excellent rebounder for a PG, but reality is that he really isn’t. Only two players rank below him in total rebound rate on this list and that is Nash and Parker – both are considered below average rebounders. The big surprise is Deron, who I always thought was a better rebounder than this….but looks like he (like Rose) is pretty average by PG standards, and below average by overall guard standards. Unsurprisingly Rondo is right up there with Westbrook among the elite rebounding guards in the NBA – that is so relatively close to Wade and Iggy is extremely impressive give that they are among the best rebounders in the league at their relative position.
 
Part 5 – On/Off Stats
I know these stats are very controversial on this site because in theory they can be skewed by other factors (such as who else is on the court when the subject is on/off). Regardless, star players typically play between 30-38 minutes per game, so even if a player only plays 30 MPG and also misses half of the season due to injury, that’s still 1,230 minutes played. I believe that is a big enough sample size to cancel out MOST of the anomalies. I’m going to include these, and you can ignore them if you like.
 

NBA Player	Offensive Rtg	Rank
Chris Paul	10.4	1
Dwyane Wade	9.5	2
Deron Williams	6.8	3
Steve Nash	6.6	4
Derek Rose	4.8	5
Rajon Rondo	3.8	6
R Westbrook	3.4	7
Jordan Crawford	1.9	8
Andre Iguodala	0	9
Tony Parker	0	10
Tyreke Evans	-1.8	11

According to these stats:
 
Chris Paul’s and Dwyane Wade’s teams over the past 4 seasons have scored an average of around 10 points per 100 possessions more when they are on the court compared to when they are on the bench. This indicates that both players have a dramatically positive impact on their teams’ offense when they are on the court. Everybody knows they are both elite offensive players, so I have no trouble believing this.
 
Deron and Nash are next, with their teams over the past 4 seasons being up being up around +6.5 offensively when they are on the court. Both of these guys are two directional players – both skilled scorers and excellent playmakers – so between their scoring and their ability to set up other players this is pretty easy to believe. Remember this is an average of the past four seasons, so it includes the Utah seasons in which Deron was up there with CP3 as one of the elite point guards in the league.
 
Next come Rose, Rondo and Westbrook who’s teams are all about +3.5 to +4.5 when they are on the court. Rose has the biggest positive impact of those three, with Rondo and Westbrook being about on par.
 
The rest of the guys have little or no positive impact (Except Tyreke – who is a negative).
 
I would say based on this that Rose clearly improves his teams’ offense when he is on the court, however doesn’t have the same elite “MVP” type impact that guys like Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade have on their teams offense. Still an All-Star worthy offensive impact though.
 

NBA Player	Defensive Rtg	Rank
Tony Parker	-3.9	1
Andre Iguodala	-3.5	2
Dwyane Wade	-0.5	3
Steve Nash	-0.5	4
Tyreke Evans	0.2	5
Chris Paul	0.4	6
Rajon Rondo	0.7	7
R Westbrook	2.9	8
Deron Williams	3.0	9
Derek Rose	4.5	10
Jordan Crawford	5.1	11

There has been a general reputation around the league that Derek Rose is a poor defensive player. Chicago supporters would love to jump up and say this is not true, and that he is actually a pretty good defender.
 
The data above says otherwise. Derek Rose’s defensive rating ranks second worst on this list, with his teams over the past 4 seasons allowing 4.5 more points per 100 possessions when he is on the court. The only guy on this list that is below him is Jordan Crawford, a guy famous for being a poor defender. The worst thing to me is that Rose has actually played on elite defensive teams for almost his entire career, so if anything his numbers should be skewed in a positive way…the fact that they go the other direction doesn’t speak too highly of his defensive skills.
 
The positions from 4 through to 7 are all pretty much even – all guys who have very little impact on their teams defense whether they are on the court or not. Rondo falls in this category probably because he gambles a lot on D (which hurts the team), but this is more or less cancelled out by the fact that he is actually has elite defensive skills.
 
The Tony Parker ranking is a surprise. This might be related to the fact that the Spurs teams he plays on are generally very good defensively (he’s usually on the court with Duncan), or he may just be a much better defensive player than he is given credit for.
 
Iggy’s ranking is no surprise – he is (and always has been) one of the best defensive players in the NBA.
 

NBA Player	Net Rtg	Rank
Chris Paul	10.0	1
Dwyane Wade	10.0	1
Steve Nash	7.1	3
Tony Parker	3.9	4
Deron Williams	3.8	5
Andre Iguodala	3.5	6
Rajon Rondo	3.0	7
R Westbrook	0.5	7
Derek Rose	0.3	9
Tyreke Evans	-2.0	9
Jordan Crawford	-3.2	11

He is where Rose’s poor defense hurts him. His team scores about 4.5 more points per 100 possessions when he is on the court, but they also allow about 4.5 more points per 100 possessions when he’s out here. That means all the extra points the teams scores are effectively being neutralised by all the extra points they allow when he’s on the court. His net Off/Def rating is only +0.3 as a result.
 
If these numbers are anything to go off, Boston actually misses Rondo a lot more than Chicago misses Rose
 
Part 6 – Conclusion
So now we have a little bit more information to support this Rondo vs Rose debate.
 
Scoring
Rose is unquestionably the better scorer. He’s a more efficient scorer from 3-9 feet, from 10-15 feet and from three. He gets to the line more often, converts And1’s at double the rate, and shoots a better percentage from the line.
 
Rondo does hold his own as a scorer in two areas though. He scores more effectively at the basket, and at 16-23 feet they are dead even.
-Winner: Rose
 
Point Guard Skills
Rondo wins this category just as clearly as Rose wins the scoring. His assist rate is more than 100% higher than Rose, yet he only averages 50% more turnovers. Rondo’s overall Ass/To rate is 33% better which is pretty significant.
-Winner: Rondo
 
Rebounding
Rondo again is the clear winner here. His Offensive Rebound Rate is 40% better, his Defensive Rebound rate is 30% better, and his Total Rebound Rate is (naturally) 35% better.
–Winner: Rondo
 
Defense
Rondo wins again. If you look at it subjectively, Rondo has made an All-Defensive team four consecutive seasons (11-12, 10-11, 09-10 and 08-09) and also led the league in steals once (2009-2010). Rose has never led the league in steals or made a single All-Defensive team. Objectively Rondo’s defensive rating is a full 4 points better than Rose, which is a massive difference.
-Winner: Rondo
 
Overall Winner: Rondo (3-1)
 
The problem I see with Rose is that his greatest talent is scoring, and yet he still is not an elite scorer at the NBA level. He excels offensively in two area – his ability to finish with contact, and his efficiency scoring from 3-9 feet. Everywhere else on the court he is merely average, and both of these skills rely entirely on his athleticism.
 
If that athleticism he relies so much on doesn’t fade with all the injuries, it certainly will fade with age. Unless he changes his game as he gets in to his 30’s (the way guys like Jordan and Karl Malone did late in their careers) to counter for that, his average skill set is going to be exposed very quickly.
 
He also has average pure PG skills (by proper PG standards) and is really more of a shooting guard who has some PG skills (much like D Wade). Unlike Wade though, he lacks the size and strength to defend bigger shooting guards. He’s also a very average rebounder for a guard, and his defense is well below average (almost 37 year old Ray Allen bad).
 
He’s the stereotypical guard who is massively overhyped because he’s been the “star player on a good team” and because his flashy style of play pleases the cameras and brings fans in to the arenas. In reality though he’s traditionally struggled to carry the load in the playoffs, and despite being the best player on some elite teams he has never led those teams to any significant playoff success.
 
Finally there is his attitude. Yes Rondo has an “arrogant dude” reputation around the league, but he is a grade A warrior. He plays through some truly horrific injuries, and I have no doubt that if it was playoff time right now (and Boston was in the playoffs) Rondo would be out there on the court. Rose on the other hand sat and watched his Bulls team get eliminated from the playoffs, even after his doctors cleared him to play, while he sat carefree on the bench. The guy has zero drive, zero attitude, zero desire to win. He just wants to go out, chuck up a million shots, and then go home a hero. He’s like the Carmello of Point Guards, only he isn’t because I couldn’t imagine Carmello sitting on the bench while his team is down in the Playoffs.

[pokeKingCurtis]

You're forgetting the fact that teams don't defend Rondo.

Figure 1. Westbrook taking a 24 second breather while Rondo pounds the ball, refusing to take a jump shot.


Figure 2. Kobe playing defense on Rondo in the 2010 finals.

[crimson_stallion]

Tell that to the Heat, who tried just about everybody (including Lebron) on Rondo and were still getting burnt by him.

I seem to recall a comment by some high profile Heat person (either Lebron or Spolestra) saying something like "We tried everybody today, but I just don't know how to defend him". 

[dreamgreen]

No. Like many have already said, to much risk.

[Roy H.]

I think that this is a really interesting question.  I think that if both were healthy, Rose is the better building block.  He's a true "superstar", whereas I think Rondo is a phenomenal player, but not a #1 option for a title team.

With the health concerns, Rose may never be the same.  At the same time, Rondo is coming off a major injury of his own, and is at high risk of reinjuring his knee (or injuring the other one), as well.  (I just watched an interview that said that once an ACL goes, the chances of injuring the ACL again -- either in that knee or the other knee -- goes up to about 1/30).  So, the injury risk is very high with both of them.

In the end, it comes down to contract.  Rose is owed around $20 million per year for three more seasons after this one.  That's too much for a guy who is going to be a big gamble on the court.

[ssspence]

I was about to say Rose is too fragile... and then i remembered Rondo is coming back from a knee injury.

My answer is no. Both totally healthy? Of course. But under the circumstances, I fear for Rose's longevity, and generally if we're going to deal Rondo I'd prefer not to trade him for a PG anyway. 

[GreenWarrior]

Ok I've heard enough. I've been a lurker too long.

I can't believe what I'm hearing. Rondo is the better player here. Rondo has been severely underrated(much like Pierce) by the NBA and particularly New Englanders his entire career.

Just because ESPN doesn't think so doesn't make it true. Just because Rose sells more sneakers doesn't make him better than Rondo...it doesn't even make him a great player.

Rondo is special. he has the intangibles.   

[GreenWarrior]

I appreciate the stats. I personally don't need 'em though. Rondo passed the eye test a long time ago.

For a player that is really inconsistent from outside he sure can dominate a game.

I absolutely believe Rondo needs to improve his FT shooting though.

[connor]

The injuries are concerning, but the docs say they expect 100% recovery, and although there was a lot of rust on his game this season I don't think he lost the explosiveness his game is based on. And there is a similar element of risk with Rondo's knee.

I think it'd be easier to build a championship team around Rose, a more traditional point guard, than Rondo who is more of a facilitator. You'd be lucky to have either, but give me the guy who averaged over 20 points a game for the last 3 seasons. to build around, especially if he is locked up for 3 more seasons past this one.

Rose is a 'more traditional point guard'? He mostly just penetrates and is the scoring focus of his offense.

Rose has a unique game that puts a uniquely high level of stress on his legs. He changes direction like no one else. Without explosiveness, he is average since he is not a good shooter and is nothing special passing. He will always be injury prone unless he changes his game, which would make him far less valuable.

More traditional is a poor description, what I'm trying to say is he would be easier to build around. He is the scoring focal point and also hands out 7 assists a game. With Rondo you're getting a superstar, but you still have to find your scorer.

I think Rose is going to bounce back just fine from this and still have that same explosiveness. Now whether or not he is going to continually have injury problems is another matter I'm not so confident in, but I'd still take the risk.

In a vacuum choosing between the two of them I'd say it'd be like flipping a coin. I'd be equally happy with either. But under the current circumstances if the C's could trade Rondo for Rose (possibly some salary relief and/or a pick too, given the injury) I'd definitely do it. It would solidify Boston getting a high draft pick and you'd have D-Rose under contract for 3 more years. If that lottery pick works out and we clear some cap space to go along with our young core, you're looking at a serious contender.

[Jailan34]

I would nowt with his second season ending knee injury. I'm getting a Brandon Roy vibe from this whole situation, young player on the rise suffering major career ending injuries. Rose May come back, but he wasn't the same this season, and it could be even worse next season. A real interesting question to ask is if Chicago finds out rose will never be the same would they consider using the amnesty clause on him and his huge contract?