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Strictly Hypothetical: Would You Deal Rondo for Rose?
« on: November 26, 2013, 07:30:23 PM »

Offline gpap

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I mentioned this in a couple other threads.

It may sound crazy but at the trade deadline would you consider a huge deal with Chicago which the main swap would be Rondo for Rose?

You know Chicago is going to be looking for a replacement point guard. Maybe they do it now, maybe they wait.

For Chicago, YES Rose is a franchise player but do they start to become leery over the long-term condition of Rose's knees.  If/when Rondo returns in December/early January and shows he's completely healthy, wouldn't Chicago be interested?

For the Celtics, yes it's a HUGE risk taking on an injury prone player. But, would the reward outweigh the risk? What if Rose came back next year and ends up being completely healthy?

Some fodder for conversation, if nothing else.

This year, the team carry's on without Rondo after this move.

In the move, you could also see about dealing either Green or Wallace and receive Luol Deng, which is an expiring contract.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 07:32:35 PM »

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Nope. I don't think Rose will ever be anything close to the player he once was. It's not the injury-prone part, it's the degree to which his game is built around his ability to move and change direction, which may or may not be coming back.
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Re: Strictly Hypothetical: Would You Deal Rondo for Rose?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 07:35:25 PM »

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Quote from: kozlodoev on November 26, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
Nope. I don't think Rose will ever be anything close to the player he once was. It's not the injury-prone part, it's the degree to which his game is built around his ability to move and change direction, which may or may not be coming back.

Yup, certainly a risk.

Of course you see tweets like this and you just can't help but wonder.

K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop

Gar Forman on DRose: "The prognosis is 100 percent recovery. He will go through a rehab period that’s going to take approximately 6 months."
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2013, 08:00:36 PM »

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Nope. Derrick Rose has the makings of a newer version of Michael Redd;
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2013, 08:26:16 PM »

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No too much money for a player who hasn't been on the court all that often the past three years.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 08:28:38 PM »

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I wouldn't. It's a very high risk high reward scenario. If he could come back to his full self (which is seeming more unlikely) due to his need to explode and turn sharply. Rose's confidence may also be brittle, which is perfectly reasonable.
He looks like Steve Francis 2.0 imo. Great talent but injuries will get to him I think.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 08:46:33 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 09:10:19 PM »

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The guy (Rose)is a beast. He's been injured but it's not the same knee which is good news.
I'd have to say at this point now they've both had knee injuries I'd say yes to the trade.
You could run our young guys flat out while he recovers, pick up the lottery pick and let him come back when he's okay.
Big factor here for me is Rose is signed up for 4 more years..He cant go anywhere in free agency. Rondo can go in 18 months.
Guy is a top 5 player in the league and it's something I'd roll the dice on.

He is a franchise player, if you have an opportunity to get one by giving up an All star then I say yes.
People can say he was looking average after the first knee injury but he'd played 12 games- he'd need a good 4 or 5 months to be set again.
Rondo ain't gonna be set after 15 games either.

I personally don't think Rose is made of glass because he had played his style for 2 or 3 seasons without too much issue.

If Rondo wasn't injured I'd have to think long and hard before saying yes and actually be 60/40 in favor of keeping Rondo.

But yes, I'd be around 85 % for the trade if you asked me today and I was GM of the Celtics..

Regular Celtics bloggers would know I'm in the pro draft rebuild boat and the situation would be perfect for us to gamble a year on the lottery.
Without Rondo or Rose all season I think we'll be a bottom 4 team and have a good shot at putting another All Star level player on our roster to help Rose once he's back.
Just remember Rose had increased his vertical by 4 or 5 inches while he was recovering.
the meniscus is generally not as serious as the ACL and its on the other leg.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 09:15:30 PM »

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Not a chance. Especially now, waaaay too much a risk, and he could look like an awful contract in just a year. It's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 10:13:08 PM »

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no - injury or not.   I don't have a lot of appreciation for score-first PGs
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 10:29:39 PM »

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Quote from: chambers on November 26, 2013, 09:10:19 PM
The guy (Rose)is a beast. He's been injured but it's not the same knee which is good news.
I'd have to say at this point now they've both had knee injuries I'd say yes to the trade.
You could run our young guys flat out while he recovers, pick up the lottery pick and let him come back when he's okay.
Big factor here for me is Rose is signed up for 4 more years..He cant go anywhere in free agency. Rondo can go in 18 months.
Guy is a top 5 player in the league and it's something I'd roll the dice on.

He is a franchise player, if you have an opportunity to get one by giving up an All star then I say yes.
People can say he was looking average after the first knee injury but he'd played 12 games- he'd need a good 4 or 5 months to be set again.
Rondo ain't gonna be set after 15 games either.

I personally don't think Rose is made of glass because he had played his style for 2 or 3 seasons without too much issue.

If Rondo wasn't injured I'd have to think long and hard before saying yes and actually be 60/40 in favor of keeping Rondo.

But yes, I'd be around 85 % for the trade if you asked me today and I was GM of the Celtics..

Regular Celtics bloggers would know I'm in the pro draft rebuild boat and the situation would be perfect for us to gamble a year on the lottery.
Without Rondo or Rose all season I think we'll be a bottom 4 team and have a good shot at putting another All Star level player on our roster to help Rose once he's back.
Just remember Rose had increased his vertical by 4 or 5 inches while he was recovering.
the meniscus is generally not as serious as the ACL and its on the other leg.

And that certainly went into my thinking. If the Celts deal Rondo for Rose, this is clearly a move for next year and beyond.

So maybe along the way as the season goes on sans Rondo, the Celts possibly pick up a top 10 pick and come back next year with their pick, a possible franchise player in Rose and possibly some serious cap space if they can deal other contracts along the way.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 10:33:04 PM »

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Rose is nothing without his explosiveness. He is not an above average shooter or passer. His game is all about changing direction, more so than anyone else in the NBA. He is not worth the risk.

People say that it being the other knee is good news. Why? Why would that be good? He now has 2 repaired knees.

Rose WAS a beast. Now he doesn't have the body that can carry his game.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 10:58:26 PM »

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I wouldn't want him.  This is his 3rd straight injury prone year.  I don't really see him as a top 5 player either, like some do.  The Steve Francis comparison may not be as far fetched as it initially seems.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 11:31:41 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2013, 11:56:13 PM »

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I would. Here is my reasoning:

We have a bad team right now. We can bottom out and acquire assets this season while letting Rose take another season off to heal. We are taking this season off anyway.

Rose is a better PG than Rondo. He is a very good passer, a very good shooter and he is under contract through 2017. Rondo is up 2 years earlier and we'll need to pay him what Rose makes anyway so the financials aren't really that influential to me.

Rondo is flawed. His shooting from both behind the arc and at the free throw line are just unacceptable for an elite point guard. If the Bulls want to make the most of their window I guess they make this trade. Otherwise I don't see why they trade a former MVP for (maybe) 6 months more of Rondo than they'd get of Rose. Oh and we have no idea what Rondo will be like post-injury. That certainly plays a part as well.

So I guess my answer is yeah I'd do it, Rose had a really gruesome knee injury already, way worse than Rondo's from what I have read. This latest one is more like what happened to Westbrook in the playoffs. Rose's first knee injury was extremely serious. This one is less serious and he's taking the long-term approach to rehabbing it. I'd take the gamble on Rose if it were up to me.

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