Crawford sell high?

[Tr1boy]

Pressey, an undrafted rookie, isn't on the level of JCraw, a proven NBA player. It's as simple as that

How is he proven?? He was benched in washington before we did washington a favor and took him.

He is not even a backup guard for most teams in the nba.

[kozlodoev]

Pressey, an undrafted rookie, isn't on the level of JCraw, a proven NBA player. It's as simple as that

How is he proven?? He was benched in washington before we did washington a favor and took him.

He is not even a backup guard for most teams in the nba.

Let's just say talent evaluation doesn't seem to be your forte, and leave it at that.

By the way, he was benched in Washington for being late to a shootaround, not because of his play. He proceeded to implode while sitting on the bench (complete with ripping his shirt off and tossing it in the stands), and as a result Washington had to give him away for nothing. Managing personnel is not their forte, I guess.

[Mazingerz]

I think Jordan Crawford would have to maintain his level of play for a few months before his trade value really changes. If traded now, I don't think he'd be worth any more now than he was to Washington.

Something to revisit closer to the trade deadline.

Exactly. We should definitely move him if we can get any significant value for him (especially given what we traded him for), but despite his recent play he has to show that this isn't a short term resurgence for Crawford.

If either of the Bulls or Knicks are willing to give any real value up for him in a panic move, I'd jump on it.

More realistically though I think Crawford, if he continues to play like this, can serve as the kind of kicker that pushes through a much larger deal built on dumping of some of out larger contracts.

There has been a lot of talk about Amare to the C's. I could see Humphries, Wallace, and Crawford being sent out for Amare and Hardaway Jr. (something like that). The C's don't just get the savings, they also pick up a promising SG on a rookie deal. The Knicks get some depth to pull them out of the basement, but also Crawford who has the spark that can keep them afloat.

It's a guy like Crawford, who has a particularly strong season, but is also on the block, that helps those deals get done. He could be that little more incentive that gets a GM to pull the trigger banking on his upside.

Although I worry for Crawfish if he were to join the Knicks; He has been a good citizen here with the Cs, but with the knicks he may regress; I sure hope Danny keeps him;

I see him as a backup or Rondo, and as a backup SG; or a starting SG (who can play PG) teamed up with Rondo; I'd rather we lose Bradley first before Crawfish (man, i know its tough to say or swallow at first, steez got talent, and Danny and Brad may have been good influences for him);

[LooseCannon]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Bill Simmons is literally Tweeting Youtube mixes about JCraw right now with the caption "Dear contenders: here's your official "Trade For Jordan Crawford, Make Him Your Heat Check Bench Guy" YouTube mix"

[kozlodoev]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Also, Bill Simmons is worthless as usual.

[LooseCannon]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Well, of all the mistakes Washington has made in managing personnel, benching Crawford wasn't one of them.  Your post seemed to imply that Crawford's value tanked because the Wizards mishandled him by doing that.

[Tradetime]

This is something I was going to start a thread on. Nice to see others thinking the same.

I don't think the Bulls or Knicks fans will accept the mediocrity they've fallen into with their veteran based teams. Chicago's recent loss to Utah should really be their wake up call. Thibodeau can preach all of the defense he wants, but if they can't score then they'll continue to be surprised by lesser opponents.

The Knicks are just as bad off, and that Amare package is starting to make more sense. This draft has too many guys at the top of it to miss out on a potential franchise player.
Crawford needs the ball in his hands to be at his best. His offensive game at times resembles something from the And 1 circuit of play, but he's developed into an effective distributor now as well.

[kozlodoev]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Well, of all the mistakes Washington has made in managing personnel, benching Crawford wasn't one of them.  Your post seemed to imply that Crawford's value tanked because the Wizards mishandled him by doing that.

I agree, benching Crawford for a game wasn't a mistake. But getting to a situation in which they need to trade him (and for nothing, at that) was. The fact that they let it escalate from a relatively innocuous standard discipline measure to giving away the player is something I can't entirely chalk up solely to Crawford's volatility.

[Tr1boy]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Well, of all the mistakes Washington has made in managing personnel, benching Crawford wasn't one of them.  Your post seemed to imply that Crawford's value tanked because the Wizards mishandled him by doing that.

Exactly. Koz thinks he is a nba gm or something in understanding talent. Still wont admit he was wrong about olynyks incapability to guard nba players.

Pressey has a future as a backup pg in the nba. What future does jcraw have? He is not a pg. He is a mediocre sg. Turnover prone, mediocre defender. He can pass when he wants to and is a streaky shooter.

[D.o.s.]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Well, of all the mistakes Washington has made in managing personnel, benching Crawford wasn't one of them.  Your post seemed to imply that Crawford's value tanked because the Wizards mishandled him by doing that.

Exactly. Koz thinks he is a nba gm or something in understanding talent. Still wont admit he was wrong about olynyks incapability to guard nba players.

Pressey has a future as a backup pg in the nba. What future does jcraw have? He is not a pg. He is a mediocre sg. Turnover prone, mediocre defender. He can pass when he wants to and is a streaky shooter.

With all due respect, I have seen enough of your posts to suggest that you might want to avoid giving people your opinion of their opinions as far as NBA players are concerned.

[Tr1boy]

Teams should bench players for at least a game for being late to a shoot-around without a valid excuse.

The benching was absolutely warranted, and the reaction to it was unprofessional. There's no contending that. The contention is whether he can parlay his newfound (apparent) maturity into a long-term improvement in attitude. Given his skill level, it's probably a worthy gamble to make.

Well, of all the mistakes Washington has made in managing personnel, benching Crawford wasn't one of them.  Your post seemed to imply that Crawford's value tanked because the Wizards mishandled him by doing that.

Exactly. Koz thinks he is a nba gm or something in understanding talent. Still wont admit he was wrong about olynyks incapability to guard nba players.

Pressey has a future as a backup pg in the nba. What future does jcraw have? He is not a pg. He is a mediocre sg. Turnover prone, mediocre defender. He can pass when he wants to and is a streaky shooter.

With all due respect, I have seen enough of your posts to suggest that you might want to avoid giving people your opinion of their opinions as far as NBA players are concerned.

What? Lol

I guess this forum shouldnt exist then.

Please man dont post stuff like that. Talk about the topic

[D.o.s.]

Too dry? Perhaps I should've included a smiley.

But, uh, think of Crawford as a cheaper, taller, better passing Nate Robinson. There's much more of a role for him in the NBA than an undersized point who can't shoot very well.

I should add that I like Pressey, and I hope he does well, and I think he could be a solid 4th guard off the bench, but playing hard isn't going to add inches to his height.

[Tr1boy]

Too dry? Perhaps I should've included a smiley.

But, uh, think of Crawford as a cheaper, taller, better passing Nate Robinson. There's much more of a role for him in the NBA than an undersized point who can't shoot very well.

I should add that I like Pressey, and I hope he does well, and I think he could be a solid 4th guard off the bench, but playing hard isn't going to add inches to his height.

I guess his passing skills and on ball defense are small potatoes.

A pg number one job on offense is to pass. He could score one basket but if he passes 6 assist and gets the team involved then that is more effective vs a pg who scores 10 but has 3 assist.

It goes beyond stats. Its warming up 4 others , so the offense is flowing,diverse.

Jcraw has a chance to be an ok backup with experience and maturity. But he is also turnover prone, selfish at the worse moments and plays medicre defense. As the stress of the game increases , against top teams he loses his composure. Not sure if he can overcome this weakness. Im not a big fan of him and hope we trade him while his value is artificially high

[D.o.s.]

Too dry? Perhaps I should've included a smiley.

But, uh, think of Crawford as a cheaper, taller, better passing Nate Robinson. There's much more of a role for him in the NBA than an undersized point who can't shoot very well.

I should add that I like Pressey, and I hope he does well, and I think he could be a solid 4th guard off the bench, but playing hard isn't going to add inches to his height.

I guess his passing skills and on ball defense are small potatoes.

A pg number one job on offense is to pass. He could score one basket but if he passes 6 assist and gets the team involved then that is more effective vs a pg who scores 10 but has 3 assist.

It goes beyond stats. Its warming up 4 others , so the offense is flowing,diverse.

Jcraw has a chance to be an ok backup with experience and maturity. But he is also turnover prone, selfish at the worse moments and plays medicre defense. As the stress of the game increases , against top teams he loses his composure. Not sure if he can overcome this weakness. Im not a big fan of him and hope we trade him while his value is artificially high

You're not a fan of Crawford?

That's an M. Night Shamalyan twist right there.


You should check out this page:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2014.html

You can talk about things that are beyond stats, but so far the only thing you've said that's remotely defensible is that Crawford isn't a point guard. You've built up Pressey way beyond what anyone else in this thread has seen, and you're pointing to things that are largely unfounded to the rest of us, either through the numbers or through the eye test.