Crawford sell high?

[Tr1boy]

Id trade jcraw for snell straight up in a heartbeat. But likely the bulls wouldnt do that. We would have to include a future 2nd

[KGs Knee]

Easily worth a 1st round pick 

[kozlodoev]

I like Crawford. I think he's part of the solution, and I think he can be had for a reasonable contract.

I disagree. Pressey is a better alternative as a backup pg. And cheaper

Once pressey develops a consistent shot, he will be a long term backup pg in the league

And once Crawford develops an unstoppable crossover move, he'd be Michael Jordan. Sorry, I'm taking the proven headcase over the undrafted rookie on this one.

[Tr1boy]

I like Crawford. I think he's part of the solution, and I think he can be had for a reasonable contract.

I disagree. Pressey is a better alternative as a backup pg. And cheaper

Once pressey develops a consistent shot, he will be a long term backup pg in the league

And once Crawford develops an unstoppable crossover move, he'd be Michael Jordan. Sorry, I'm taking the proven headcase over the undrafted rookie on this one.

how is this guy a proven headcase?? Bc he has had good games against mediocre to horrible teams?

The day he can help us beat a playoff calibre team, is when i will be impressed 1 second.

Pressey is ahead of the curve early in his career vs Jcraw was when he started. Pressey overall has had better games, more effective against playoff calibre teams.

[kozlodoev]

how is this guy a proven headcase?? Bc he has had good games against mediocre to horrible teams?

The day he can help us beat a playoff calibre team, is when i will be impressed 1 second.

I assume the onus here is on "proven", not on "headcase".

He's proven because he's played close to 200 career games, averaging 13/3/3 in the process. The question is not whether he can play, but whether he can keep his head screwed up right in the process.

Pressey is ahead of the curve early in his career vs Jcraw was when he started. Pressey overall has had better games, more effective against playoff calibre teams.

Crawford started his NBA career with 12/3/3 season in 25 minutes of playing time. I am not sure which curve Pressey is ahead of, given that it will probably be an achievement for him to match Crawford's not-so-stellar rookie shooting percentage of .390, let alone the rest of his production.

So that's really a pretty easy call. Crawford is the superior player.

edit: Oh, and the "big game" argument? Perhaps you want to refresh your memory:

Crawford in Miami win: 15 pts, 4 assists, 3 threes.
Crawford in Atlanta win: 12 pts, 10 assists.
Crawford in Indiana loss: 24 pts, 4 assists, 3 threes.

Actually, the only stinker against a good team for Crawford has been the Houston loss. Sorry, not seeing what you're seeing.

[Tr1boy]

how is this guy a proven headcase?? Bc he has had good games against mediocre to horrible teams?

The day he can help us beat a playoff calibre team, is when i will be impressed 1 second.

I assume the onus here is on "proven", not on "headcase".

He's proven because he's played close to 200 career games, averaging 13/3/3 in the process. The question is not whether he can play, but whether he can keep his head screwed up right in the process.

Pressey is ahead of the curve early in his career vs Jcraw was when he started. Pressey overall has had better games, more effective against playoff calibre teams.

Crawford started his NBA career with 12/3/3 season in 25 minutes of playing time. I am not sure which curve Pressey is ahead of, given that it will probably be an achievement for him to match Crawford's not-so-stellar rookie shooting percentage of .390, let alone the rest of his production.

So that's really a pretty easy call. Crawford is the superior player.

edit: Oh, and the "big game" argument? Perhaps you want to refresh your memory:

Crawford in Miami win: 15 pts, 4 assists, 3 threes.
Crawford in Atlanta win: 12 pts, 10 assists.
Crawford in Indiana loss: 24 pts, 4 assists, 3 threes.

Actually, the only stinker against a good team for Crawford has been the Houston loss. Sorry, not seeing what you're seeing.

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

[kozlodoev]

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

Oh, so now Crawford is getting flack because he was playing on a horrible Washington team, but Pressey -- who cannot get off the bench of an equally horrible Celtics team -- is the "better player" and "ahead of the curve"?

Yeah... no.

[fitzhickey]

Craw is destroying, his efficiency has blown me away honestly. He is out performing Pressey

[D.o.s.]

I'm inclined to agree with the other posters. Pressey played well last night, but Crawford is almost certainly better at basketball.

[Tr1boy]

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

Oh, so now Crawford is getting flack because he was playing on a horrible Washington team, but Pressey -- who cannot get off the bench of an equally horrible Celtics team -- is the "better player" and "ahead of the curve"?

Yeah... no.

Its bc of pressey coming off the bench the celts are catching up to the score and keeping the game close.

How many games has jcraw helped the celts have the lead after the 1st??  The guy is not a pg

[D.o.s.]

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

Oh, so now Crawford is getting flack because he was playing on a horrible Washington team, but Pressey -- who cannot get off the bench of an equally horrible Celtics team -- is the "better player" and "ahead of the curve"?

Yeah... no.

Its bc of pressey coming off the bench the celts are catching up to the score and keeping the game close.

How many games has jcraw helped the celts have the lead after the 1st??  The guy is not a pg

You're right that he's not a point guard.

You seem to be wrong about everything else.

[kozlodoev]

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

Oh, so now Crawford is getting flack because he was playing on a horrible Washington team, but Pressey -- who cannot get off the bench of an equally horrible Celtics team -- is the "better player" and "ahead of the curve"?

Yeah... no.

Its bc of pressey coming off the bench the celts are catching up to the score and keeping the game close.

How many games has jcraw helped the celts have the lead after the 1st??  The guy is not a pg

Right. Except Pressey played a total of 9 minutes in the Atlanta and Indiana games combined and was -10 in terms of plus-minus for his time on the floor.

He had a decent game against Miami, but you're pretty much making up stuff to support an argument that's not there.

[KGs Knee]

How many games did washington win? How many shots did he jack up?

Pressey is a better backup pg imo

Oh, so now Crawford is getting flack because he was playing on a horrible Washington team, but Pressey -- who cannot get off the bench of an equally horrible Celtics team -- is the "better player" and "ahead of the curve"?

Yeah... no.

Its bc of pressey coming off the bench the celts are catching up to the score and keeping the game close.

How many games has jcraw helped the celts have the lead after the 1st??  The guy is not a pg

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't seem to be based on much objective evidence (more like a hunch) and certainly not one many will agree with.

[fitzhickey]

Pressey, an undrafted rookie, isn't on the level of JCraw, a proven NBA player. It's as simple as that

[kozlodoev]

Pressey, an undrafted rookie, isn't on the level of JCraw, a proven NBA player. It's as simple as that

That's sums it up, pretty much. Jordan Crawford is no world beater, but he can play.