3 trade ideas with NYN, GS and UTAH

[Tr1boy]

If Danny is looking to make a trade soon, i could see these trades working out for everyone involved:

TRADE 1 (Knicks need frontcourt and bench scoring help)

TO NYN: Humprhies, Green
TO BOS: Shumpert, Stoudemire

TRADE 2 (GS need dependable bench help for the playoffs)

TO GS: Bass, Lee, 2014 nets/hawks pick
TO BOS: Barnes, Speights, Nedovic, O'neal (waived)

TRADE 3 (Stevens would like Hayward on the team and both teams could use a shakeup)

TO UTAH: Bradley, Choice to flip 2015 1st pick (Bos/UTAH)
TO BOS: Hayward

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New Celtics lineup

C  - Faverani/Olynyk
PF - Sullinger/Speights/Staudamire
SF - Barnes/Wallace
SG - Hayward/Shumpert/Jcraw/Brooks
PG - Rondo/Nedovic/Pressey

This would be a more exciting looking lineup, especially for the future. I think the role vet guys we have could be very valuable for other teams. Just can't win as a team on their own.

[AB_Celtic]

1. The Knicks have no use for Jeff Green
2. Barnes and Speights are dependable bench help; in fact they are better than Bass and Lee
3. Hayward is significantly better than Bradley

Sorry, but none of these are realistic.

[D.o.s.]

1. The Knicks have no use for Jeff Green
2. Barnes and Speights are dependable bench help; in fact they are better than Bass and Lee
3. Hayward is significantly better than Bradley

Sorry, but none of these are realistic.

I think I agree, mostly because if I put myself in the other GM's seat there's no way I'm accepting any of those trades.

[Tr1boy]

1. The Knicks have no use for Jeff Green
2. Barnes and Speights are dependable bench help; in fact they are better than Bass and Lee
3. Hayward is significantly better than Bradley

Sorry, but none of these are realistic.

-I disagree. They could use green. Alot more help than stoudermire. They have no bench sf depth.

- outside of barnes look how effective the gs bench has been the last several games. If their starters have an off game, likely gs loses games.  They need to balance their lineup

- hayward is better. Thats why the swap option

[Tr1boy]

1. The Knicks have no use for Jeff Green
2. Barnes and Speights are dependable bench help; in fact they are better than Bass and Lee
3. Hayward is significantly better than Bradley

Sorry, but none of these are realistic.

I think I agree, mostly because if I put myself in the other GM's seat there's no way I'm accepting any of those trades.

For the now or the future?

The other teams benefit "now". Except utah , that could benefit more in 2015 (a few spots up could make a difference).

-Gs has a small window to try to get far or win it all. Bogut is gone after this year. Could use vets like bass/lee for a long playoff run. speights is still inconsistent and in jacksons bad books already.

-Nyn is on another run to end up being mediocre. Green can help to provide bench scoring. Could also play with melo. Without chandler the team will be in trouble up front. Humphries almost perfect rent a player for them.

[D.o.s.]

For the record, I think the GS deal is the least likely, and they're definitely not trading Harrison Barnes + change for Bass and Lee unless the Hawks/Nets pick is really good (like, top 5), at which point there's really no reason to do it for the Celtics.

The Knicks deal doesn't seem plausible because of what the Knicks seem to be trying to get for Shump--a guy like Faried, not a backup SF (which is also a position Shump can fill). I agree that Humphries could be good for them, but as much as I like Shump's game, giving up Jeff Green and taking on A'mare's contract seems like a little too much. I think the C's could do better for Green + Hump.

The Utah trade doesn't actually pass the Trade Machine test... and I think the only way Utah trades Hayword is if they know he's going to walk for sure--at which point his new deal probably means that a Bradley trade wouldn't work.

[Endless Paradise]

First trade: massive overpay on Boston's part.  The Knicks get a quality wing in Green, a $12 million expiring contract, AND relief from Amare's horrible contract all for the price of a guy they've been openly shopping for two years?

Second trade: you completely decimate Golden State's frontline depth; not a chance they bite on that with how injury prone Bogut is.  Also, Bogut's not gone after this year; he just signed a three-year extension with the Warriors.  Thompson, Barnes, and Curry are all young and they've added Iguodala to the mix - they're in prime position to contend for years.  Of the playoff teams from last year, the Warriors and the Rockets probably have the widest contention windows in the West (I'd say the Thunder are there, too, but their ownership greatly limits that).

Third trade: of the three proposed deals, this is the most plausible, but I still don't see it getting done.  No particular reason why, I just don't think the Jazz would entertain it.

[guava_wrench]

I am dumbfounded when people underestimate the burden that is Stoudamire's contract. Not only is this guy always hurt, not only can he not play every game (doctor's orders), but he also can only play like 20 mins in a game. Amare is also owed 23.4 million next season. And all we get is Shumpert?

[Celtics4ever]

I am dumbfounded when people underestimate the burden that is Stoudamire's contract. Not only is this guy always hurt, not only can he not play every game

I agree, TP, some folks just don't get it.  I also think some people still think we are not tanking this year.   Yeah, we won four games and the guys play hard but look at our roster unless we are firing on all cylinders we lose.

[sofutomygaha]

Agreed that Stoudemire's contract is a crazy burden. If, hypothetically, we were going to take on that contract, the Knicks would have to take back two bad-but-not-as-bad contracts, and give us something to make it worth our while. If I am running the Celtics, I don't consider it unless it's

Stoudemire and Shumpert

for

Humphries and Wallace


I can work with that. Next year I'll be dumping Stoudemire, obviously. The Knicks shouldn't take that trade, but the Knicks are a total mess (as usual), and this would give them more options.

[nostar]

First I'll say that while I don't think these trades are very realistic I wish more people would respond with ideas instead of just criticism. So in the vein here is at least one modifications of your idea that I think might be more plausible.

TRADE 1 (Knicks need frontcourt and bench scoring help)

TO NYN: Humprhies, Green
TO BOS: Shumpert, Stoudemire

TO NYN: Humprhies, Wallace
TO BOS: Shumpert, Stoudemire

I read the post about Amare's terrible contract and I totally agree. Not only is it bloated it's also uninsurable. From an ownership standpoint that is pretty unacceptable in most cases. I'm not sure if getting rid of Wallace and getting Shump is worth it but this trade is close to something the Celtics might stomach.

I think trying to make a trade with the Knicks is a really good idea. They are doing poorly, they have deep pockets, their owner is talking championship and I'm seeing another NY trade loot situation. I'd make the Stoudemire trade if it gets me Shump and free from Wallace. It makes us a little worse because Amare will never play more than 5-10 minutes and it gets us an asset in Shump that is coveted league-wide.

Here is an idea I saw floating around and think could help both teams.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l8esldr

Bass can play with Howard, has a smooth mid-range game and can run with the Rockets. He also plays pretty good defense for his position.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

If we are getting ONeal in a trade, why waive him? Is he out for the season again? Just curious.

[Celtics4ever]

If we are getting ONeal in a trade, why waive him? Is he out for the season again? Just curious.

Because he is heartless and quit on us.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If we are getting ONeal in a trade, why waive him? Is he out for the season again? Just curious.

Because he is heartless and quit on us.

Beause Doc didn't put him in a position where he can help us. Phoenix and GSW is playing him the way he should, in the post and getting the ball. Doc and the Celtics relegated him to a $5 million dollar screen setter and nothing else. I know it's a little unprofessional, but I can't blame him for quitting. But now Doc is gone, he might have a change of heart.

The way JO is playing right now, I'd love to have him. He's still decent on defense and while he's not as good in his prime, he still does damage on the low block.

With that said, I don't think GSW will unload Barnes for our long term role players.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I can't believe how low everyone is on Jeff Green.  Don't forget he is the type of guy that needs needs a few games under his belt. IDK I thought he would have continued playing the way he did at the end of last season but the team has changed he he probably needs more time than we would like to adjust. Thats just my two cents.