Larry Sanders under investigation for starting a bar fight

[LarBrd33]

I was about to propose a trade idea that involved Rondo+Wallace going to the Bucks for expiring contracts, Sanders and unprotected 2014 pick... until I realized Sanders just signed a 4 year 44 million dollar extension.

you kidding? the Cs would jump all over that. deal would be done in 10 minutes if the Bucks were willing.

You don't think Sanders is a risk?  I think his contract kicks in next year.. he'll be making 11 mil a year, I think. 

But for the moment, i think you could do something like

Rondo - 12 mil 2 years
Wallace - 10 years 3 years

for

Butler - 8 mil expiring
Ridnour - 4 mil expiring
Udoh - 4 mil expiring
Sanders - 3 mil this year, 44 mil over the next 4
2014 1st rounder

You're right it's probably too much return. 

[Endless Paradise]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter. 

[kozlodoev]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter.

Um, no. Want Aldridge, trade proposal better include Rondo _and_ Sullinger/Olynyk.

Sanders, of course, is a different story. Any trade giving up Rondo for Sanders is probably giving up too much.

[Endless Paradise]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter.

Um, no. Want Aldridge, trade proposal better include Rondo _and_ Sullinger/Olynyk.

Sanders, of course, is a different story. Any trade giving up Rondo for Sanders is probably giving up too much.

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

[kozlodoev]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

[Rhyso]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter.

Um, no. Want Aldridge, trade proposal better include Rondo _and_ Sullinger/Olynyk.

Sanders, of course, is a different story. Any trade giving up Rondo for Sanders is probably giving up too much.

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

Exactly. I really don't think there are many options to trade Rondo even though he is a top 5 PG. There are so many good PG's in the league that teams would have to give up too much to make a small upgrade when they could be improving at another position instead. Also i think a fair trade would be:

Green + Bradley + Sully/Olynyk + 2015 pick
For Aldridge

They would probably want to move Batum somewhere else though.

[kozlodoev]

Green + Bradley + Sully/Olynyk + 2015 pick
For Aldridge

That's probably a fair trade for Greg Monroe, not for Aldridge.

[Endless Paradise]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I don't think it'll happen (especially now that Aldridge has come out in USA Today to announce how happy he is in Portland), but I also certainly don't think it's impossible; the Knicks didn't have to ship out their best player at the time in Amare when they traded for Melo, after all.  They *did* have to gut their team, and I'd expect no less for an Aldridge trade: Bradley, Sullinger or Olynyk (more likely both, just as the Knicks had to give up both Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari), and at least two first-rounders, among other things.  I'd also expect the Blazers to demand that the Celtics take back a bad or unwanted contract.  The Celtics could theoretically keep Rondo and Green, but there wouldn't be much depth behind those guys and Aldridge.

Not even going to touch the idea of trying to include Wallace since Portland would laugh right in Boston's face and hang up the phone.

[LooseCannon]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I don't think it'll happen (especially now that Aldridge has come out in USA Today to announce how happy he is in Portland), but I also certainly don't think it's impossible; the Knicks didn't have to ship out their best player at the time in Amare when they traded for Melo, after all.  They *did* have to gut their team, and I'd expect no less for an Aldridge trade: Bradley, Sullinger or Olynyk (more likely both, just as the Knicks had to give up both Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari), and at least two first-rounders, among other things.  I'd also expect the Blazers to demand that the Celtics take back a bad or unwanted contract.  The Celtics could theoretically keep Rondo and Green, but there wouldn't be much depth behind those guys and Aldridge.

Not even going to touch the idea of trying to include Wallace since Portland would laugh right in Boston's face and hang up the phone.

Portland wouldn't laugh and hang up.  If they were going to trade Aldridge, they would try to figure out how many draft picks they can get out of a deal and if it would be worth it.

[Endless Paradise]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I don't think it'll happen (especially now that Aldridge has come out in USA Today to announce how happy he is in Portland), but I also certainly don't think it's impossible; the Knicks didn't have to ship out their best player at the time in Amare when they traded for Melo, after all.  They *did* have to gut their team, and I'd expect no less for an Aldridge trade: Bradley, Sullinger or Olynyk (more likely both, just as the Knicks had to give up both Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari), and at least two first-rounders, among other things.  I'd also expect the Blazers to demand that the Celtics take back a bad or unwanted contract.  The Celtics could theoretically keep Rondo and Green, but there wouldn't be much depth behind those guys and Aldridge.

Not even going to touch the idea of trying to include Wallace since Portland would laugh right in Boston's face and hang up the phone.

Portland wouldn't laugh and hang up.  If they were going to trade Aldridge, they would try to figure out how many draft picks they can get out of a deal and if it would be worth it.

Good point; I was talking more on the "let's see if the Celtics can just dump Wallace on the Blazers" angle.  Of course they'd probably love to take him back if they got an extra first for it - much like the Celtics were willing to do with the Nets.

[mgent]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter.

Um, no. Want Aldridge, trade proposal better include Rondo _and_ Sullinger/Olynyk.

Sanders, of course, is a different story. Any trade giving up Rondo for Sanders is probably giving up too much.

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

How dumb do you think the GM is to take Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk instead of Rondo just because he doesn't fit?  It's as simple as shipping Rondo to another team in order to yield a much better return than Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk.

That's of course only if they had any motivation here whatsoever.

[fairweatherfan]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I disagree.  Neither Dwight Howard nor Chris Paul nor Carmelo Anthony brought back anyone as good as Rondo.  There were some players better than Sully/Oly, sure, but not a single All-Star went to their former teams.  It was all prospects + picks with some high-$ guys to make the cap work.  And Aldridge isn't as good as any of those guys.

It'll take more than just Sully/Oly and a 1st, but the going price for players better than Aldridge indicate it's not as high a cost as you might expect.

[mgent]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I disagree.  Neither Dwight Howard nor Chris Paul nor Carmelo Anthony brought back anyone as good as Rondo.  There were some players better than Sully/Oly, sure, but not a single All-Star went to their former teams.  It was all prospects + picks with some high-$ guys to make the cap work.  And Aldridge isn't as good as any of those guys.

It'll take more than just Sully/Oly and a 1st, but the going price for players better than Aldridge indicate it's not as high a cost as you might expect.

Unbelievably huge missing detail:  those guys told their teams they were walking in the offseason, which would have left their teams with nothing.

[BballTim]

As an aside:

I laugh at ideas in the trade forum that suggest acquiring an established big with all-star ability or potential that don't include Sullinger or Olynyk.

Totally agreed; I don't get why some people fail to understand this.  Want Aldridge, for example?  Cool, but your trade proposal better include Olynyk and/or Sullinger, otherwise it's a non-starter.

Um, no. Want Aldridge, trade proposal better include Rondo _and_ Sullinger/Olynyk.

  That's a sideways move at best, and that's assuming Olynyk and/or Sully never amount to much.

  Fun fact: since the start of the 2009 playoffs Aldridge has averaged almost a half a rebound a game more than Rondo in the postseason.

  Fun fact #2: I checked the last 5 all-defense team voting, I didn't see where he got a single vote for any of them.

  Maybe we should throw in all of our extra first rounders as well...
 

[fairweatherfan]

The Blazers would not want Rondo, especially *without* Aldridge.  Are you forgetting they have last season's Rookie of the Year on their roster playing the same position?  If they're getting rid of Aldridge, it's to fully commit to a rebuild, so it makes no sense to bring in a guy like Rondo - and they're not going to shift Lillard to SG full-time.  Bradley and Sullinger/Olynyk?  Sure.  But not Rondo.  Lillard makes way more sense and has far more potential for them.  Not to mention, Lillard makes a fraction of what Rondo is paid, as he still has three years left on his rookie contract.

That's probably true, it was more of an attempt to point out that it's not realistic to expect to add a player of Aldridge's age and ability without parting with Rondo.

I disagree.  Neither Dwight Howard nor Chris Paul nor Carmelo Anthony brought back anyone as good as Rondo.  There were some players better than Sully/Oly, sure, but not a single All-Star went to their former teams.  It was all prospects + picks with some high-$ guys to make the cap work.  And Aldridge isn't as good as any of those guys.

It'll take more than just Sully/Oly and a 1st, but the going price for players better than Aldridge indicate it's not as high a cost as you might expect.

Unbelievably huge missing detail:  those guys told their teams they were walking in the offseason, which would have left their teams with nothing.

It's not that different of a situation - Aldridge's contract ends after next season.  Paul was traded with two full seasons left, Howard had a full season.  Only Carmelo was actually expiring.

If he wants to stay, then yeah, the price goes way up, but the entire reason why there are so many trade rumors around Aldridge (and Love for that matter) is that he's reportedly also disgruntled and may want out.