Anyone else see Nikola Vucevic Destroy the Clippers?

[beklog]

At the very least, Vucevic was really entertaining.  I think the Magic are going to make the 8 seed, I really do. 

The best part about all of this is that, while they might excel come play off time, the 2015 Clippers and the 2014 2016 2018 Nets will probably be much worse regular season teams than we were projecting at the end of last year.  It sucks we have to wait out a year but this next decade is going to be a fun time to be a Celtics fan.

Hmmm I don't know man... looking at their depth chart:
PG: Jameer Nelson/Ronnie Price         
SG: Arron Afflalo/Victor Oladipo/E'Twaun Moore/Doron Lamb   
SF: Maurice Harkless/Hedo Turkoglu         
PF: Jason Maxiell/Andrew Nicholson/Tobias Harris (injured)/Glen Davis (injured)   
C: Nikola Vucevic/Kyle O'Quinn/Solomon Jones (injured)

Our roster looks more stacked compared to them. And I know AB just love playing against Jameer Nelson 

[mgent]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

[D.o.s.]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

[mgent]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

[wdleehi]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

Then just look at the reversal of fortune of New Orleans and the Clippers when he switched teams. 

[bobbyv]

I still think CP3 is overrated. He hasn't even been to a conference finals. Also, I'm still mad at the sixers for letting Vucevic go.

[D.o.s.]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

Then just look at the reversal of fortune of New Orleans and the Clippers when he switched teams.

That's my inclination towards a response, too. I think that a lot of people who harp on Chris Paul's ability focus far to closely on his teams' lack of playoff success--which falls into something best described by "lazy overstatement."

[BballTim]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

Then just look at the reversal of fortune of New Orleans and the Clippers when he switched teams.

That's my inclination towards a response, too. I think that a lot of people who harp on Chris Paul's ability focus far to closely on his teams' lack of playoff success--which falls into something best described by "lazy overstatement."

  OTOH one statement that comes up in most of the Chris Paul discussions is "he instantly makes any team a contender", which is much more of an overstatement considering he's never been on a team that's threatened to win a title.

[D.o.s.]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

Then just look at the reversal of fortune of New Orleans and the Clippers when he switched teams.

That's my inclination towards a response, too. I think that a lot of people who harp on Chris Paul's ability focus far to closely on his teams' lack of playoff success--which falls into something best described by "lazy overstatement."

  OTOH one statement that comes up in most of the Chris Paul discussions is "he instantly makes any team a contender", which is much more of an overstatement considering he's never been on a team that's threatened to win a title.

I'd agree with that. I think that Chris Paul instantly makes any team a contender is true only in the sense that the team will most likely make the playoffs.

[mgent]

Clippers, the most overrated team in the league 3 years running. Has nothing to do with Doc. Just overrated hyped players who jst aren't dominant

Throw CP3 in any team ,  like even the current Celtics and we would be like 4 and 1 .......he just  seems to have the knack of getting everybody playing well .

Without CP3 the  Doc doesn't do alot for that team any other , decent coach couldn't.   Without CP3 , Doc Shivers would have never went there , he'd ran for cover behind a mic .

Who is this everybody?  Griffin played great before Paul.  Didn't do anything for David West or Peja either, both played similarly without him.  Chandler has become even more efficient in the pick and roll with Felton than he was with Paul.  Players like Okafor and Caron Butler were great scorers but played worse with Chris Paul.  I'm sure there's more that I'm missing, but can you name any players who clearly played better due to CP3?

The assertion was that the Clippers are overrated, and you responded by overrating one of the most overrated players in the league.  Chris Paul is obviously a dominant player but he dominates with speed and scoring.  Of course he's an excellent passer, but most of his assists come from his man focusing on him in the pick and roll.  He draws double teams or he gets into the paint for an easy dish, both of which make his teammates better, but let's not pretend like he has no help and is making scrubs look like real players (ala Rondo, Nash, LeBron, Kidd).

You don't think Chris Paul made those Hornets teams better?

Really?

This team:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_New_Orleans_Hornets_season#Roster

Won 56 games.

Of course Chris Paul makes a team better, I never said he didn't.  Read my reply again, I'm simply saying he's not a magician who makes every PLAYER he plays with better (like the others I mentioned).  He's had the fortune of playing with great players every year, and none of the bad players he's played with have done anything out of the normal.  That team had 3 other all star level players in West, Peja, and Chandler, as well as one of the best defenses in the league.

That year Chris Paul almost won MVP.  The next year he led the same team to 7 less wins and had a similar season.  The funny thing is everybody still remembers Chris Paul as he was before the injury on those 2 teams, and ignore the last 4 years since.  He's still a top 5-10 player, but his ppg, apg, rpg, FG%, spg, and FTA all declined.

Now if you really want to look at the player Chris Paul is, look at where he's gone in the playoffs.  If he was really that good at making his players better I don't think he'd have 3-4 less assists per 36 when the games start counting (both of the last 2 years).

The fact that people are still referencing what Chris Paul did 6 years ago is just more proof that fans overrate him.  Don't pretend like he can, without a doubt, turn the worst team in the league around and single-handily win games/lead that team to great success.  Look at what he actually does, don't overrate him with dreamy hypotheticals.  He's a dominant player, just leave it at that.

Then just look at the reversal of fortune of New Orleans and the Clippers when he switched teams.

Um okay, he improved the Clippers, who had Baron Davis and Mo Williams running the point, by 8 wins.  They have trended upward, but Chris Paul hasn't improved from year to year....  Instead you saw Griffin, Jordan, and Bledsoe going from 0 experience rookies to actual players.  They also wouldn't have won 56 games without the best bench in the league, Chris Paul had nothing to do with that it was the addition of Crawford and Barnes.

And who are you trying to kid with the Hornets?  Are we to pretend they didn't go into rebuilding, they didn't lose their leading scorer David West, and they didn't lose their best player in Eric Gordon who was replacing Paul?

Heck, even if you ignore West, Gordon, and the rebuilding/going for Davis, there's hundreds of teams that played worse after losing an important player.  Since when can we claim that's evidence those players will make any team an instant contender?

[Tr1boy]

 Doc wishes he had kg instead of bonehead jordan + griffin. Both guys have low bbiq and poor footwork.

Vaughn has done a great job with the magic so far. But tonight we will win.