sac and bos trade idea

[Tr1boy]

To kings: ab, jcraw, 2014 nets 1st
To celts: mcallum, fredette, 2014 kings 1st

If ab is in no future plans for the celts. Mcallum and fredette are not playing right now, but both have potential. High iq guys that should well under stevens. A decent chance both or one sticks around for the long term.  Worse case we get a 2014 kings first that should be late lotto to late teens.

Reason kings would do this trade is cousins and ab are good friends. Plus the backcourt could use a proven vet , that plays excellent defense . kings need to make the playoffs to get the team moving fwd

[Endless Paradise]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

[manl_lui]

only guy I want from the Kings is Cousins. No Cousins no deal...I'll trade Bradley, a 2-3 first rounders for Cousins

[D.o.s.]

Big no on Jimmer. Dude's going to be out of the league in a year or so.

Sacramento wants Rondo or our 2014 pick, not more substandard point guards or chuckers.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Why is everyone so obssessed with trading with the Kings?  They are fun to watch but nobody on that team will make us a contender.  In fact, if we were to merge the Celtics and the Kings into one team, we would have:

Rondo / Thomas
Vasquez / Bradley
Green / Salmons
Cousins / Sully
Vitor / Patterson

I mean, does that team make anything more than a 7 seed and a first round exit?  I could even see that team missing the playoffs

[manl_lui]

Why is everyone so obssessed with trading with the Kings?  They are fun to watch but nobody on that team will make us a contender.  In fact, if we were to merge the Celtics and the Kings into one team, we would have:

Rondo / Thomas
Vasquez / Bradley
Green / Salmons
Cousins / Sully
Vitor / Patterson

I mean, does that team make anything more than a 7 seed and a first round exit?  I could even see that team missing the playoffs

contenders? maybe not, but definitely a playoff team. Can probably even go to the conference finals with that team in my opinion, but probably cannot beat the Miami Heat. I think that team could probably be a top 4 team in the East in 2 years (Brooklyn might fall apart next year). So behind Heat, Pacers/Bulls. I am predicting NY is going to implode.

[ddb]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

[Tr1boy]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

Yup. Ray mccallum.

Celts were interested to draft him but ended up being cheap and picked up pressey for nothing.

Mccallum is not as quick as pressey but pretty much better at everything else. Very good height for a pg at 6'3 and has a dangerous 40 inch max vertical(higher than westbrooks 36) and knows how to use it (jump shots over smaller guards, finish high using the backboard). High bbiq, dad is also a coach.

My proposal or not, i would love to just pick him up if its not going to cost much. Rather try him out 100 times than keep playing jcraw and getting headaches

[fitzhickey]

Can this Mcallum guy play any SG? never seen anything of him

[D.o.s.]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

Yup. Ray mccallum.

Celts were interested to draft him but ended up being cheap and picked up pressey for nothing.

Mccallum is not as quick as pressey but pretty much better at everything else. Very good height for a pg at 6'3 and has a dangerous 40 inch max vertical(higher than westbrooks 36) and knows how to use it (jump shots over smaller guards, finish high using the backboard). High bbiq, dad is also a coach.

My proposal or not, i would love to just pick him up if its not going to cost much. Rather try him out 100 times than keep playing jcraw and getting headaches

If Crawford is giving you headaches the rest of the roster must be keeping you in the ICU.

[Bosstown]

Why is everyone so obssessed with trading with the Kings?  They are fun to watch but nobody on that team will make us a contender.  In fact, if we were to merge the Celtics and the Kings into one team, we would have:

Rondo / Thomas
Vasquez / Bradley
Green / Salmons
Cousins / Sully
Vitor / Patterson

I mean, does that team make anything more than a 7 seed and a first round exit?  I could even see that team missing the playoffs

Psssshhhhh...I WISH we had that lineup right now. That's a playoff team right there and a potential contender down the road. Cousins has had a GREAT year this year statistically thus far and is obviously a #1 option.

Miss the playoffs with that squad in the 2013/14 season? In the East? Nope.

One defensive player away from becoming a contender for 2014/2015? Yup.

Keep dreaming.

[Tr1boy]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

Yup. Ray mccallum.

Celts were interested to draft him but ended up being cheap and picked up pressey for nothing.

Mccallum is not as quick as pressey but pretty much better at everything else. Very good height for a pg at 6'3 and has a dangerous 40 inch max vertical(higher than westbrooks 36) and knows how to use it (jump shots over smaller guards, finish high using the backboard). High bbiq, dad is also a coach.

My proposal or not, i would love to just pick him up if its not going to cost much. Rather try him out 100 times than keep playing jcraw and getting headaches

If Crawford is giving you headaches the rest of the roster must be keeping you in the ICU.

No. Jcraw is prob the biggest bonehead. He has the ball alot playing pg but does not know to get ppl involved.  Also at the worse time takes questionable jump shots. Seems like has a pref or problem with olynyk bc he rarely passes it to him while he loves to feed the ball to bass. He is the main headache and danny should of not traded for him last year

[D.o.s.]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

Yup. Ray mccallum.

Celts were interested to draft him but ended up being cheap and picked up pressey for nothing.

Mccallum is not as quick as pressey but pretty much better at everything else. Very good height for a pg at 6'3 and has a dangerous 40 inch max vertical(higher than westbrooks 36) and knows how to use it (jump shots over smaller guards, finish high using the backboard). High bbiq, dad is also a coach.

My proposal or not, i would love to just pick him up if its not going to cost much. Rather try him out 100 times than keep playing jcraw and getting headaches

If Crawford is giving you headaches the rest of the roster must be keeping you in the ICU.

No. Jcraw is prob the biggest bonehead. He has the ball alot playing pg but does not know to get ppl involved.  Also at the worse time takes questionable jump shots. Seems like has a pref or problem with olynyk bc he rarely passes it to him while he loves to feed the ball to bass. He is the main headache and danny should of not traded for him last year

That doesn't pass the smell test at all so far. You know that Crawford's leading all of our guards in eFG%, AST%, and TOV%, right?

Or, in traditional stats, he's shooting 56% from the field, 44% from deep, and has one fewer assist than the guard leading our team in that category, Avery Bradley--who has actually played in the way you describe, despite playing nearly 12 minutes a game less than AB.

http://bkref.com/tiny/4ZI1a


I'm not telling you that you need to like the guy or his game, but don't be silly.

[Tr1boy]

McCollum is on the Blazers, unless you mean McElmore - in which case, Avery, JC, and a late first are not a fair return for the Kings. The Kings are not likely to be better than Portland, Minnesota, Denver, or Dallas (meaning their ceiling is probably 11th in the West), so I'm not sure why you think they'd have a late lottery pick or even a mid first rounder. Even still, Avery Bradley is a role player and nothing more - he's not the guy getting the Kings to the playoffs. Kings' 2014 is a bit too valuable to give up for that.

He's not referring to CJ McC.  He's referring to Ray McC.

Learn your rosters before you try to correct people

Yup. Ray mccallum.

Celts were interested to draft him but ended up being cheap and picked up pressey for nothing.

Mccallum is not as quick as pressey but pretty much better at everything else. Very good height for a pg at 6'3 and has a dangerous 40 inch max vertical(higher than westbrooks 36) and knows how to use it (jump shots over smaller guards, finish high using the backboard). High bbiq, dad is also a coach.

My proposal or not, i would love to just pick him up if its not going to cost much. Rather try him out 100 times than keep playing jcraw and getting headaches

If Crawford is giving you headaches the rest of the roster must be keeping you in the ICU.

No. Jcraw is prob the biggest bonehead. He has the ball alot playing pg but does not know to get ppl involved.  Also at the worse time takes questionable jump shots. Seems like has a pref or problem with olynyk bc he rarely passes it to him while he loves to feed the ball to bass. He is the main headache and danny should of not traded for him last year

That doesn't pass the smell test at all so far. You know that Crawford's leading all of our guards in eFG%, AST%, and TOV%, right?

Or, in traditional stats, he's shooting 56% from the field, 44% from deep, and has one fewer assist than the guard leading our team in that category, Avery Bradley--who has actually played in the way you describe, despite playing nearly 12 minutes a game less than AB.

http://bkref.com/tiny/4ZI1a


I'm not telling you that you need to like the guy or his game, but don't be silly.

Hows his plus and minus like vs all those nice stats u posted?  Teams will never win with jcraw gettinv decent playing time. He prob score 30 and the team would lose. He wasnt extended for a reason.

[D.o.s.]

Crawford's at a -2.3 to Bradley's -5.5. For completists: Lee's at  -6, and MarShon is at a +6. Plus/Minus is clearly the best measuring stick ever.

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?TeamID=1610612738

And, for what it's worth, AB wasn't extended either.