Jazz (0-4) at Celtics (0-4) Game 5 11/6

[nickagneta]

Stevens called a better game from the bench tonight ,   Inserting Hump and Pressey at the correct moment.

I also liked his change to a more traditional lineup with Wallace leading the bench crew. Best move he made all season,IMHO.

[BballTim]

And when I am wrong I say I am wrong. I thought Olynyk was going to be a bust but finally saw tonight what everyone else was getting so excited about. I am going to temper my expectations because I think he needs to add about 10-15 pounds of muscle to be most effective but, his chemistry and fit with Sully tonight was extremely encouraging.

So I was wrong. He won't be a bust, or at least lets hope not. But he will need to get a lot of work in to get some of those moves in versus the better defensive teams in the league.

  I don't think you can really evaluate a big in terms of their bodies until their second year, that first summer when they're following a regimen the training staff gives them can make a big difference.

Very true, thought there are some body types you know the pro trainers and dieticians just can not do anything with, like JaJuan Johnson. He was strong but his frame was never going to let him get to be strong enough to make it in this league.

Olynyk's frame is good and he can add some muscle and be okay. Where I would like to see him put on some muscle is in his legs so he will be able to hold his position better down low. He gets moved around rather easily at times.

  Olynyk looks more like a guy who hasn't put maximum effort into the weight room than someone who's been unable to get stronger despite his best effort.

[SHAQATTACK]

Stevens called a better game from the bench tonight ,   Inserting Hump and Pressey at the correct moment.

I also liked his change to a more traditional lineup with Wallace leading the bench crew. Best move he made all season,IMHO.

Yes , he made several nice moves ....  I suppose it's a learning process knowing who to play when at just the right time...

I like Wallace as sixth man . ....instant energy

[Tr1boy]

And when I am wrong I say I am wrong. I thought Olynyk was going to be a bust but finally saw tonight what everyone else was getting so excited about. I am going to temper my expectations because I think he needs to add about 10-15 pounds of muscle to be most effective but, his chemistry and fit with Sully tonight was extremely encouraging.

So I was wrong. He won't be a bust, or at least lets hope not. But he will need to get a lot of work in to get some of those moves in versus the better defensive teams in the league.

  I don't think you can really evaluate a big in terms of their bodies until their second year, that first summer when they're following a regimen the training staff gives them can make a big difference.

Very true, thought there are some body types you know the pro trainers and dieticians just can not do anything with, like JaJuan Johnson. He was strong but his frame was never going to let him get to be strong enough to make it in this league.

Olynyk's frame is good and he can add some muscle and be okay. Where I would like to see him put on some muscle is in his legs so he will be able to hold his position better down low. He gets moved around rather easily at times.

  Olynyk looks more like a guy who hasn't put maximum effort into the weight room than someone who's been unable to get stronger despite his best effort.

He has stated when he took a year off , strength trainning workouts were exclusively done standing up vs squatting and bench press heavy

He is a pretty strong kid naturally and scouting report do mention he has a thick lower body. 

He just needs to refine imo. He won't be better at 260 bc then he will lose his agility. He is 240 now and 245-250 is prob an optimal weight range for him.

[nickagneta]

And when I am wrong I say I am wrong. I thought Olynyk was going to be a bust but finally saw tonight what everyone else was getting so excited about. I am going to temper my expectations because I think he needs to add about 10-15 pounds of muscle to be most effective but, his chemistry and fit with Sully tonight was extremely encouraging.

So I was wrong. He won't be a bust, or at least lets hope not. But he will need to get a lot of work in to get some of those moves in versus the better defensive teams in the league.

  I don't think you can really evaluate a big in terms of their bodies until their second year, that first summer when they're following a regimen the training staff gives them can make a big difference.

Very true, thought there are some body types you know the pro trainers and dieticians just can not do anything with, like JaJuan Johnson. He was strong but his frame was never going to let him get to be strong enough to make it in this league.

Olynyk's frame is good and he can add some muscle and be okay. Where I would like to see him put on some muscle is in his legs so he will be able to hold his position better down low. He gets moved around rather easily at times.

  Olynyk looks more like a guy who hasn't put maximum effort into the weight room than someone who's been unable to get stronger despite his best effort.

I agree with that.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Boooo... This is crap.  Andrew wiggins is rolling over in his grave.

This is not crap. Our guys gave up full effort and are slowly building confidence.

It will only prompt them to play as hard and it will help with player development, coaching development and that thing you call "raising trade value".

Wiggins can roll on his grave all he wants, we'll take the win and get more.

[LarBrd33]

My grade for this game.  As always, our three objectives are #1 - hard-fought losses.  #2 - Develop the youngs.  #3 - Showcase the overpaid vets.

#1 - We almost pulled off the tank late, but ultimately let this one get away from us.   Our first win of the season.  Fail.

#2 - Great games out of Sully and Oly.  Bradley was his typical "meh" self.  Vitor's worse game.   Overall this was a good one.  CHECK.

#3 - Bass 20 points.  Wallace 9 and 9.  Lee had an effective 5 minutes.  I'll give this a CHECK.

Overall score:  C-    Our worst outing this year.  I understand it was vs the worst team in the league, but we can't make a habit out of winning.  Hopefully the Celtics right the ship next outing vs Orlando.  We just need to get through this stretch... softest opening schedule in the league.  It's been difficult to tank under these optimal conditions.   Luckily we have some quality teams on the horizon.   

[Kiorrik]

My grade for this game.  As always, our three objectives are #1 - hard-fought losses.  #2 - Develop the youngs.  #3 - Showcase the overpaid vets.

#1 - We almost pulled off the tank late, but ultimately let this one get away from us.   Our first win of the season.  Fail.

#2 - Great games out of Sully and Oly.  Bradley was his typical "meh" self.  Vitor's worse game.   Overall this was a good one.  CHECK.

#3 - Bass 20 points.  Wallace 9 and 9.  Lee had an effective 5 minutes.  I'll give this a CHECK.

Overall score:  C-    Our worst outing this year.  I understand it was vs the worst team in the league, but we can't make a habit out of winning.  Hopefully the Celtics right the ship next outing vs Orlando.  We just need to get through this stretch... softest opening schedule in the league.  It's been difficult to tank under these optimal conditions.   Luckily we have some quality teams on the horizon.

Wow. And here I thought pessimistic pro-tankers was a pleonasm. :]

Not meant in a bad way btw. I just don't agree with the C-. I'd say a B+. Showing that these guys can win you a game even when you're trying to lose makes them more valuable!

[DesertDweller]

Yes, i'm jazzed at winning our first game (No pun intended)but not amused at all about that 4th quarter. luckily we were playing the Utah Jazz because just about any other team and we could very likely be sitting at 0-5.

Tommy Heinsohn hit the nail right on the head.....YOU CANNOT WALK THE BALL UP THE COURT THE ENTIRE 4TH QUARTER!!! as soon as the Celtics took thier foot off the pedal we went from a 25 point lead to only an 8 point lead and there were still four minutes left in the game which is plenty of time to turn a good game into a horrendous loss.
on another note, and I am not trying to start a conspiracy theory here, but isn't it customery for players to congratulate thier coach for his initial win in the NBA??? the only player that acknowledged Stevens after the game was Jeff Green. that seemed a little weird to me!!!

[Celtics4ever]

Vitor seems in the doghouse.

[DesertDweller]

Vitor seems in the doghouse.

yeah, Stevens yanked him pretty quick.  he gave up a few easy baskets and he was gone.

[slamtheking]

My grade for this game.  As always, our three objectives are #1 - hard-fought losses.  #2 - Develop the youngs.  #3 - Showcase the overpaid vets.

#1 - We almost pulled off the tank late, but ultimately let this one get away from us.   Our first win of the season.  Fail.

#2 - Great games out of Sully and Oly.  Bradley was his typical "meh" self.  Vitor's worse game.   Overall this was a good one.  CHECK.

#3 - Bass 20 points.  Wallace 9 and 9.  Lee had an effective 5 minutes.  I'll give this a CHECK.

Overall score:  C-    Our worst outing this year.  I understand it was vs the worst team in the league, but we can't make a habit out of winning.  Hopefully the Celtics right the ship next outing vs Orlando.  We just need to get through this stretch... softest opening schedule in the league.  It's been difficult to tank under these optimal conditions.   Luckily we have some quality teams on the horizon.

your constant bashing of the C's is just getting nauseating.  everyone's entitle to their opinion but you just post bash after bash. 

An occasional win is all we'll see this year.  I intend to enjoy it. Also, the worst record has only won the draft 3 times in all these years so having the absolute worst record is no guarantee of winning the lottery.  With so much prime talent in the upcoming draft, not having the top pick is not a disaster.  No reason for the non-stop misery. 

[Who]

Vitor seems in the doghouse.

yeah, Stevens yanked him pretty quick.  he gave up a few easy baskets and he was gone.

Seemed like Stevens wanted more quickness on the floor. Quicker big men. To compete with Utah's young frontline (Favors, Kanter) who were beating Boston's bigs up and down the court far too easily. And it worked, it worked well so he stuck with it.

So I think it was matchup related more than anything.

[Interceptor]

My grade for this game.  As always, our three objectives are #1 - hard-fought losses.  #2 - Develop the youngs.  #3 - Showcase the overpaid vets.

#1 - We almost pulled off the tank late, but ultimately let this one get away from us.   Our first win of the season.  Fail.

#2 - Great games out of Sully and Oly.  Bradley was his typical "meh" self.  Vitor's worse game.   Overall this was a good one.  CHECK.

#3 - Bass 20 points.  Wallace 9 and 9.  Lee had an effective 5 minutes.  I'll give this a CHECK.

Overall score:  C-    Our worst outing this year.  I understand it was vs the worst team in the league, but we can't make a habit out of winning.  Hopefully the Celtics right the ship next outing vs Orlando.  We just need to get through this stretch... softest opening schedule in the league.  It's been difficult to tank under these optimal conditions.   Luckily we have some quality teams on the horizon.

I am now coming to every gamethread for this post. TP for going all-in.

[Snakehead]

Vitor seems in the doghouse.

yeah, Stevens yanked him pretty quick.  he gave up a few easy baskets and he was gone.

Seemed like Stevens wanted more quickness on the floor. Quicker big men. To compete with Utah's young frontline (Favors, Kanter) who were beating Boston's bigs up and down the court far too easily. And it worked, it worked well so he stuck with it.

So I think it was matchup related more than anything.

He seems to be really willing to sit people or switch things up.  Which is good to me, might as well with how weird our roster is.

But I think he wasn't playing well.  Stevens is willing to just play other people right now.  Olynyk has been really coming along I think.  Even against Memphis when he couldn't score I thought he was otherwise playing smart basketball.  Olynyk's jumper hasn't been falling but when it starts to he is going to be earning more minutes for sure.