Proof we are Tanking

[D.o.s.]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

Agreed.  I don't think any team that really wants him will finish in the top ten of the draft lottery.

[danglertx]

I think there is one reason why Humphries isn't playing and that is, we have no interest in trading him.  We don't want to take back 12mil in salary, we need that coming off the books.  Nobody can take 12mil straight up off our hands for a trade, so what is the reason we'd play him?

We need to trade Bass, so he is playing to hopefully make himself tradeable, and Vitor, Sully, and Olynyk need playing time to develop.

If we don't make any trades this year, next year we have 20mil coming off the books and a possible trade exception to play with for 10mil or whatever the Pierce amount was.  We also might get the #1 pick or at least a top 4, so we could get pretty good quickly if we aren't burdened by extra money.

[D.o.s.]

I think there is one reason why Humphries isn't playing and that is, we have no interest in trading him.  We don't want to take back 12mil in salary, we need that coming off the books.  Nobody can take 12mil straight up off our hands for a trade, so what is the reason we'd play him?

We need to trade Bass, so he is playing to hopefully make himself tradeable, and Vitor, Sully, and Olynyk need playing time to develop.

If we don't make any trades this year, next year we have 20mil coming off the books and a possible trade exception to play with for 10mil or whatever the Pierce amount was.  We also might get the #1 pick or at least a top 4, so we could get pretty good quickly if we aren't burdened by extra money.

Our trade exception expires before the beginning of next season.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think what you're actually saying is that you have proof that we have a logjam at the PF/C positions. But we have known that since this Summer, so old news.

[Moranis]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

There are all kinds of expiring contracts though.  There are the ones that are just there to drop long term salary from teams and then there are the guys that while expiring are also acquired to be of some value to a contender down the stretch, but without tying up future dollars.  Teams like the Lakers and Cavs, for example, if they are close to or in the playoffs might be interested in a player like Humphries who could help out this year, but won't ruin their cap position this summer. 

[Nerf DPOY]

I'm not convinced we're really all that worried about moving the contracts of Bass, Lee, or even Wallace. Is the idea that we'd be creating space to make a max signing? I figure should we land Wiggins/Parker/etc., by the time they're good enough to be a beacon for the franchise and lure a top FA, that money will be off the books. Until then, they'll have significant expiring money this year and the next 2 for trades, should they see fit.

I'm no capologist,though. Am I missing something?

[Moranis]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

Agreed.  I don't think any team that really wants him will finish in the top ten of the draft lottery.

Chicago owns Charlotte pick.  Chalotte owns both Detroit and Portland's picks.  Philly has their own pick and New Orleans pick (they might move the lesser after the season).  A team like Portland (whose pick goes to Charlotte, but is protected) might want to acquire Rondo in a draft day trade by trading the player they pick to appease Aldridge.

[Nerf DPOY]

I could see Sacto trading their pick for Rondo.

[VitorSullyandKOFan]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

Agreed.  I don't think any team that really wants him will finish in the top ten of the draft lottery.

Chicago owns Charlotte pick.  Chalotte owns both Detroit and Portland's picks.  Philly has their own pick and New Orleans pick (they might move the lesser after the season).  A team like Portland (whose pick goes to Charlotte, but is protected) might want to acquire Rondo in a draft day trade by trading the player they pick to appease Aldridge.

They have Damian Lilard.

[Snakehead]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

Agreed.  I don't think any team that really wants him will finish in the top ten of the draft lottery.

Chicago owns Charlotte pick.  Chalotte owns both Detroit and Portland's picks.  Philly has their own pick and New Orleans pick (they might move the lesser after the season).  A team like Portland (whose pick goes to Charlotte, but is protected) might want to acquire Rondo in a draft day trade by trading the player they pick to appease Aldridge.

They have Damian Lilard.

Exactly.  What?

I think Rondo is worth that but don't see the fit on the probable teams.  Besides maybe Detroit but I think they will be in the Playoffs personally.  But maybe they really love Jennings (I sure don't... Rondo would be great with their bigs).

[Nerf DPOY]

They have Damian Lilard.

Exactly.  What?

I think Rondo is worth that but don't see the fit on the probable teams.  Besides maybe Detroit but I think they will be in the Playoffs personally.  But maybe they really love Jennings (I sure don't... Rondo would be great with their bigs).

My guess is Moranis is suggesting while trading for Rondo may not make sense for Portland in a basketball sense, appeasing Aldridge does. It feels like at least half of the significant moves made in the NBA are made for the purpose of keeping the franchise's star happy, though you could make a case for Lillard being just that at this point.

[D.o.s.]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

Agreed.  I don't think any team that really wants him will finish in the top ten of the draft lottery.

Chicago owns Charlotte pick.  Chalotte owns both Detroit and Portland's picks.  Philly has their own pick and New Orleans pick (they might move the lesser after the season).  A team like Portland (whose pick goes to Charlotte, but is protected) might want to acquire Rondo in a draft day trade by trading the player they pick to appease Aldridge.

They have Damian Lilard.

Exactly.  What?

I think Rondo is worth that but don't see the fit on the probable teams.  Besides maybe Detroit but I think they will be in the Playoffs personally.  But maybe they really love Jennings (I sure don't... Rondo would be great with their bigs).

I think Detroit needs Jennings to keep other teams from doubling Monroe.

I see Rondo fitting best with the Pacers, but I don't believe that the Pacers can hit my assumption of Ainge's asking price.

Also, I'm pretty sure all Portland needs to do to keep LA happy is to make the playoffs. They seem like they can do that with the roster they have now--although I don't see them seriously contending.

[LooseCannon]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

There are all kinds of expiring contracts though.  There are the ones that are just there to drop long term salary from teams and then there are the guys that while expiring are also acquired to be of some value to a contender down the stretch, but without tying up future dollars.  Teams like the Lakers and Cavs, for example, if they are close to or in the playoffs might be interested in a player like Humphries who could help out this year, but won't ruin their cap position this summer.

The Lakers have pretty much no salaries that will allow them to make a trade for Humphries. 

The Cavs have more flexibility in packaging deals.  The obvious one would be if the Andrew Bynum experiments ends miserably due to injury and they want to trade him for a useful player on an expiring contract.

Maybe he could be traded to Chicago in a package for Carlos Boozer if Boozer tears his ACL in January.

Because it is hard for a contending team to match salaries without giving up key players, I don't think it is likely that Humphries is traded unless it is part of a package including a young player with upside (Sullinger?) and draft considerations for a big contract player.  I think it is more likely that Humphries takes a buyout so he can sign with a playoff team, allowing Ainge to take a flyer on someone who can be signed for the rest of the season with an unguaranteed contract for next season.  And keeping Humphries glued to the bench might be a strong motivator for Humphries to negotiate a buyout.

[jyyzzoel]

The reason why hump isn't playing is because there is no point to play him. He's an expiring contracts. His trade-value is static. It is what it is regardless if we play him or not.

Meanwhile... Brandon bass, Gerald Wallace and Courtney lee are all bad contracts.  None of them have a future on this team.  We'd be glad to dump all of them... So it's no surprise we are playing them significant minutes.  My biggest takeaway from the game where Jeff green stayed in the bench the entire 4th was that Jeff green must figure into Danny's long term plans.  Wallace got 37 crap minutes in that game.  You can tell who is being showcased.

Wonder if DA would trade ....Rondo for a high draft pic , like in the top 10?

I doubt we get a top 10 pick for Rondo.

We would get a top ten pick for rondo, but he isn't getting traded this season I think. The reason being that he is an attractive lure for free agents to sign with boston. Eg: if we make a run at greg Monroe in the offseason, we could feed him the idea of playing with rondo. Trade him and there's no chance ant getting Monroe or other free agents. He may get traded next season though, but I doubt it, because Kevin love will then be on the market as he will be a free agent. I think that rondo will get traded in the next three seasons, but not for a pick in this years draft.

[TheTruthFot18]

Developing our young bigs is more important.

True but after the night bass had why not give Hump another shot?