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How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« on: November 04, 2013, 07:51:06 AM »

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Only three games in, I know, but what I've seen so far is that this team looks good offensively when it gets out on the break, and looks awful in the half court, especially in crunch time when the opposition actually starts playing defense. 

Certainly, the end of the Detroit game illustrated a real lack of competent ball handling, but their inability to do things like avoid turnovers and make a decent entry pass to the post in all three games has been glaring.  At times they look like they're running a dysfunctional hybrid of a three man weave and the old Princeton offense, passing interminably and hoping that a back-door option opens up.  If the C's were just able to consistently get the ball up the floor and run their sets, how much would that have helped them offensively in the past three games?   

I think the combination of cutting down on TOs (which lead to easy points for the other guys) and actually making baskets more often because of competently run sets (which slows the start of the team going the other way, providing time to organize pressure and the defense) would be enough to make a noticeable difference, even if it only leads to a small measurable change.  A swing of two more baskets a game prevented (from reducing turnovers) and two more baskets a game made (from running a non-dysfunctional offense) could cause an 8 point per game average swing.  Still wouldn't make them an offensive juggernaut, but they would at least climb out of the "woeful" offensive category. 






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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 07:54:52 AM »

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Starting a real point guard next to Avery Bradley would help the team a lot.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 08:23:44 AM »

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A point guard could likely deliver us from the Midianites and the Amorites, maybe even the Amalekites, however without better interior defence we are still helpless against the Philistines...wait, ignore that
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 08:27:46 AM »

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1. Keep AB off the ball.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 08:43:10 AM »

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Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 09:16:59 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 09:23:28 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2013, 10:03:43 AM »

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So this team is a competent point guard away from being mediocre, as opposed to truly execrable.  A healthy Rondo might actually make them a .500 team, which, in the East, is enough to make the playoffs. 

Hmm...if that's right, then this team - with a healthy Rondo - would win about the same number of games as last year's team. 
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 10:04:41 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.

The worst player OF ALL TIME  :P

How dramatic.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 10:09:40 AM »

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While it would help the team, I don't think it would be enough to turn these losses into wins. 


A Rondo level PG could (and would) steal a few of these games, but honestly, he doesn't have the offensive horses he needs to maximize his game. 

Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 10:10:57 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.

The worst player OF ALL TIME  :P

How dramatic.
Yeah. It's certainly dramatic. Though not any more than considering him some sort of earth-shattering defensive talent that's never been seen in the NBA.

The guy has some defensive ability, but the way he's going he'll play himself out of the NBA by the end of his current contract.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 10:20:00 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.

The worst player OF ALL TIME  :P

How dramatic.
Yeah. It's certainly dramatic. Though not any more than considering him some sort of earth-shattering defensive talent that's never been seen in the NBA.

The guy has some defensive ability, but the way he's going he'll play himself out of the NBA by the end of his current contract.

He is good enough on defense that he still has value, especially on teams where he has a limited offensive role, isn't being asked to do more and is being told to not do more.  I still think he can shoot a corner three... that's probably about it though.

I am frustrated with his play as well, trust me.  He just misses makeable shots.

I'd be down for bringing him back even but the price has to be low.  I heard talk of extending him for around 6 million per year and I am not interested in that at a all.

All I am imagining is letting him go though and he starts making these shots.  That's the frustrating thing with Bradley is how quick he is, he gets shots that look good, pull up jumpers to layups, and he just doesn't make them.  If we let him go and they start going in that would really bug me.
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 10:35:11 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.

The worst player OF ALL TIME  :P

How dramatic.
Yeah. It's certainly dramatic. Though not any more than considering him some sort of earth-shattering defensive talent that's never been seen in the NBA.

The guy has some defensive ability, but the way he's going he'll play himself out of the NBA by the end of his current contract.

He is good enough on defense that he still has value, especially on teams where he has a limited offensive role, isn't being asked to do more and is being told to not do more.  I still think he can shoot a corner three... that's probably about it though.

I am frustrated with his play as well, trust me.  He just misses makeable shots.

I'd be down for bringing him back even but the price has to be low.  I heard talk of extending him for around 6 million per year and I am not interested in that at a all.

All I am imagining is letting him go though and he starts making these shots.  That's the frustrating thing with Bradley is how quick he is, he gets shots that look good, pull up jumpers to layups, and he just doesn't make them.  If we let him go and they start going in that would really bug me.
He may have value, I agree. But he'll not be the next great thing. Or at least there hasn't been a trend that suggests this.

My biggest concern with him, I guess, is that he lets things get into his head, and thus one bad play leads to another and he ends up failing miserably at stuff he's supposed to be ok at -- and all this because he's "playing PG".
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Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 10:39:18 AM »

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not much....we would still suck  :'(

Re: How Much Would a Decent Point Guard Help?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 10:43:05 AM »

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It definitely would help.  If we could gave scored some more baskets in half court sets we would have won the Bucks game and we also could have won the Detroit game.  Scoring has been our issue so far.

Tremendously because Avery Bradley might be the worst player of all time, especially as a point guard.

Oh god  ::)
Oh god what? It seems that he more he plays, the worse he gets. We knew from the get-go that he wouldn't be confused for a PG, but he's regressed to a point where he fails to make basic basketball plays on offence.

The worst player OF ALL TIME  :P

How dramatic.
Yeah. It's certainly dramatic. Though not any more than considering him some sort of earth-shattering defensive talent that's never been seen in the NBA.

The guy has some defensive ability, but the way he's going he'll play himself out of the NBA by the end of his current contract.

He is good enough on defense that he still has value, especially on teams where he has a limited offensive role, isn't being asked to do more and is being told to not do more.  I still think he can shoot a corner three... that's probably about it though.

I am frustrated with his play as well, trust me.  He just misses makeable shots.

I'd be down for bringing him back even but the price has to be low.  I heard talk of extending him for around 6 million per year and I am not interested in that at a all.

All I am imagining is letting him go though and he starts making these shots.  That's the frustrating thing with Bradley is how quick he is, he gets shots that look good, pull up jumpers to layups, and he just doesn't make them.  If we let him go and they start going in that would really bug me.
He may have value, I agree. But he'll not be the next great thing. Or at least there hasn't been a trend that suggests this.

My biggest concern with him, I guess, is that he lets things get into his head, and thus one bad play leads to another and he ends up failing miserably at stuff he's supposed to be ok at -- and all this because he's "playing PG".

I think I've seen that as well, as far as him getting discouraged.  The last few minutes against Detroit were rough.

I have never thought as Avery as a budding star.  I have thought that if his offense grows suddenly way past what we've seen, he could be more, but otherwise I've been happy to think of him as a Bruce Bowen type player.


If we even just had Rondo finding him off cuts and to have it so Avery didn't have to handle the ball I think we would all not be as down on Avery.  Our roster at the moment is basically tailor made to magnify all his weaknesses.

But if we could hypothetically draft a SG and have Avery coming off the bench to play combo guard minutes I think that would be a great role for him.  If you'd start Avery, you'd want him to be along like James Harden, a SG who can handle it and pass, so Avery could guard PGs.
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