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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2013, 09:29:55 AM »

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NBA is talent driven.    Players like CP3 , KG,  LeBron , make coaches seem better than they are.

No coach can turn Marshon Brooks into Kobe . 

We are stuck with what got for now.   

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I hope he fails .

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2013, 09:36:55 AM »

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2 games down and the verdict on Stevens has already been rendered by the naysayers.

will not be surprised if they become Heat fans when we got another loss

My family had season tickets, or a spot in a skybox, from 1984-2009. Get stuffed, child. You're too young to understand the meaning of true Celtic Pride.

As for this being "too early" to criticize Stevens...this is not a criticism of Stevens. He should be pushing Butler toward the final four next March. Myself, and my old C's fan buddies, have felt dejected since we heard of Danny's astoundingly lonnnnng contract with him. The reason coaches do a stint at Assistant Coach first...is to be mentored into a very different game. Let's not teach some young turk how to fly a 747 with a full load of passengers. Anyway, enjoy your flight...I'm not going to sit here and rub my lucky shamrock, like some of y'all.

I said Crawford is poison because he is everything in a player that a Celtic should not be. He doesn't listen, he won't be humbled, he looks to shoot first...then crossover slash 2nd, and he constantly dribbles around and hoists up a shot as the clock is set to expire from 5 feet behind the 3-point line. He is essentially the same dude we watched in Atlanta and Washington. He reminds me of a bad Kobe...but again, feel free to go buy this sorry piece of trade bait's jersey.

Anyway, glad to see the general populous here is keeping their fingers crossed. I see this as a bespoke squad, designed solely to descend down and grab Wiggins. I love Wallace's honesty, and wish he could find his shot. Crash was one of the league's most electric stars before he was passed from one bad coach to another...to another.

One final thought: Danny will absolutely trade Rondo in the next 365 days if he can get the right price. Don't fawn at the arsonist that just torched your house down, I say. I'm not just unleashing negative comments. I'm pointing out how methodically this team is designed to be in the bottom 5 this year.
Sounds like you and I have been fans for about the same amount of time. So we both know that things have been MUCH worse in the past with teams and coaches. So lets sit back and just see what happens over the next three seasons or so before hitting panic mode.

And yes, IF Danny gets the right price for Rondo then he will trade him. That's a very big IF however and it's DA's job to make a trade if he gets the right price.
I for one don't think people will offer him the right price this year and Rondo will stay. For now....
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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2013, 09:47:33 AM »

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My family had season tickets, or a spot in a skybox, from 1984-2009. Get stuffed, child. You're too young to understand the meaning of true Celtic Pride.

As for this being "too early" to criticize Stevens...this is not a criticism of Stevens. He should be pushing Butler toward the final four next March. Myself, and my old C's fan buddies, have felt dejected since we heard of Danny's astoundingly lonnnnng contract with him. The reason coaches do a stint at Assistant Coach first...is to be mentored into a very different game. Let's not teach some young turk how to fly a 747 with a full load of passengers. Anyway, enjoy your flight...I'm not going to sit here and rub my lucky shamrock, like some of y'all.

I said Crawford is poison because he is everything in a player that a Celtic should not be. He doesn't listen, he won't be humbled, he looks to shoot first...then crossover slash 2nd, and he constantly dribbles around and hoists up a shot as the clock is set to expire from 5 feet behind the 3-point line. He is essentially the same dude we watched in Atlanta and Washington. He reminds me of a bad Kobe...but again, feel free to go buy this sorry piece of trade bait's jersey.

Anyway, glad to see the general populous here is keeping their fingers crossed. I see this as a bespoke squad, designed solely to descend down and grab Wiggins. I love Wallace's honesty, and wish he could find his shot. Crash was one of the league's most electric stars before he was passed from one bad coach to another...to another.

One final thought: Danny will absolutely trade Rondo in the next 365 days if he can get the right price. Don't fawn at the arsonist that just torched your house down, I say. I'm not just unleashing negative comments. I'm pointing out how methodically this team is designed to be in the bottom 5 this year.


Yes, this team was built to lose a lot of games.  This is not news. 

U mad?


I don't understand the point of your post.  Anybody with basic NBA knowledge can look at this roster and see that it's a jumble of disparate parts and only perhaps 4 or 5 of these players is even being honestly evaluated for the purpose of maybe sticking around long term.  The rest are dust in the wind.

Stevens was not hired to be a great coach right away.  Rather, it's as if he were drafted.  He's a rookie just as much as Olynyk, Faverani, and Pressey are rookies.  He will have good games and bad games.  But he was selected because Danny recognized his potential and he wanted to secure him long term before somebody else snagged him.  Perhaps to do that he needed to give him a head coaching job instead of hiring Larranaga and installing Stevens as an assistant.

So be it.  This is a development year after all.  Personally I think it makes a lot of sense to get a young coach and give him a lot of time to figure things out.  Much better than hiring an established, expensive coach with a big ego who might only be around for a year or two anyway. 

I think people tend to do better when they know they have time to figure out how to best do things their way and that they don't have to fear for their job if things don't go exactly according to plan in the first year or two.  Only if Stevens is truly screwing up and actually hindering the development of our players will his job be in jeopardy.  I seriously doubt that will happen.  I believe in Stevens.


In any case, better get used to it.  This year is not going to be 'pretty.'  But in every game there will be things to enjoy.  Just because this is a "tanking" roster doesn't mean it's not worth watching, or that we as fans are getting cheated.  Indeed, I think Danny is doing his duty for the franchise; he's doing what he needs to do to give us a competitive, entertaining, and long-lasting team a few years down the road.
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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2013, 10:06:51 AM »

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Anybody with basic NBA knowledge can look at this roster and see that it's a jumble of disparate parts and only perhaps 4 or 5 of these players is even being honestly evaluated for the purpose of maybe sticking around long term.  The rest are dust in the wind.


There are fourteen (fifteen, counting Colton Iverson) players on this team being "honestly evaluated."  The chances of many of them "sticking around long term" are admittedly slim, but that doesn't mean that Danny and the coaching staff aren't invested in all of them.  They are paying them to be here, and they want to get the best out of them. 

I don't think the staffs of NBA teams look at their own players the way a lot of the fans do.  They don't throw up their hands and say; "this guy is a lost cause, we know it, everybody knows it."  At least, I hope they don't.  I would hope they look at each one of their players and say, "how can we help make this guy better so that he will either help us by staying and contributing or contribute to getting someone else in the future."

That's what rebuilding and development is all about.  It's not about throwing in the towel, accepting that everybody sucks, and hoping to hit the lottery.   

Of course, that's just my take as someone lacking any basic NBA knowledge. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2013, 10:22:49 AM »

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Anybody with basic NBA knowledge can look at this roster and see that it's a jumble of disparate parts and only perhaps 4 or 5 of these players is even being honestly evaluated for the purpose of maybe sticking around long term.  The rest are dust in the wind.


I don't think the staffs of NBA teams look at their own players the way a lot of the fans do.  They don't throw up their hands and say; "this guy is a lost cause, we know it, everybody knows it."  At least, I hope they don't.  I would hope they look at each one of their players and say, "how can we help make this guy better so that he will either help us by staying and contributing or contribute to getting someone else in the future."

At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2013, 10:24:48 AM »

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Anybody with basic NBA knowledge can look at this roster and see that it's a jumble of disparate parts and only perhaps 4 or 5 of these players is even being honestly evaluated for the purpose of maybe sticking around long term.  The rest are dust in the wind.


I don't think the staffs of NBA teams look at their own players the way a lot of the fans do.  They don't throw up their hands and say; "this guy is a lost cause, we know it, everybody knows it."  At least, I hope they don't.  I would hope they look at each one of their players and say, "how can we help make this guy better so that he will either help us by staying and contributing or contribute to getting someone else in the future."



We tried.  I don't think there's anyone currently on the roster in Fab Melo's "stage of development."
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2013, 10:37:37 AM »

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You mean a team with role players at best isn't very good.  Shocking.
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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2013, 10:41:59 AM »

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One final thought: Danny will absolutely trade Rondo in the next 365 days if he can get the right price. Don't fawn at the arsonist that just torched your house down, I say. I'm not just unleashing negative comments. I'm pointing out how methodically this team is designed to be in the bottom 5 this year.

  There hasn't been a single player on the Celts roster in any season that Danny wouldn't absolutely trade if he got the right price. As for whether we're a bottom 5 team, it's too soon to tell by any reasonable account.

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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2013, 10:46:38 AM »

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sidenote: I love the idea that Ainge is so trade-thirsty because he was the only guy who got traded from that championship team.

No idea on the veracity. It just amuses me.
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2013, 11:28:25 AM »

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Really?  Gary Washburn?  That hack almost knows nothing.  While I agree Brad Stevens needs to get better....basing it on Gary Washburn's opinion....really?

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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2013, 11:36:30 AM »

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Wallace is telling the truth. The Celtics guards are playing like a bunch of prima donna, free agency bound, SELFISH, b-list ballers. Avery Bradley and Courtney Lee have a combined 7 assists in 104 min. played....shooting .296 and .467, respectively. Crawford has 6 assists, but he starts the offense with 10 seconds left in the clock after squaring up the other guard...like he's the unacknowledged heir to Chris Paul.

Stevens is lost. We collapsed after building a 22 point lead...against the Bucks. He had no idea how to stop the blitz when it came. He allowed showboating at the guard. Our only true PG, Phil Pressey, has gotten 4...YES, 4 min. so far. I dread this moneyball boy's inability to adapt in real time.

At least I had a nice end to the night, watching The Truth swat LBJ...and finish him off at the line. I hope Wyc and DA got a good short profit for selling out Celtics Pride. 
 
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don't know what you are talking about, stevens did a perfect job to blown out the bucks AND lose the game
you are not seeing the big picture, it's about Art of Tank

Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2013, 12:09:45 PM »

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Anyway, enjoy your flight...I'm not going to sit here and rub my lucky shamrock, like some of y'all.

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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2013, 12:22:57 PM »

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Yes, this team was built to lose a lot of games.  This is not news. 

U mad?


I don't understand the point of your post.  Anybody with basic NBA knowledge can look at this roster and see that it's a jumble of disparate parts and only perhaps 4 or 5 of these players is even being honestly evaluated for the purpose of maybe sticking around long term.  The rest are dust in the wind.

Stevens was not hired to be a great coach right away.  Rather, it's as if he were drafted.  He's a rookie just as much as Olynyk, Faverani, and Pressey are rookies.  He will have good games and bad games.  But he was selected because Danny recognized his potential and he wanted to secure him long term before somebody else snagged him.  Perhaps to do that he needed to give him a head coaching job instead of hiring Larranaga and installing Stevens as an assistant.

So be it.  This is a development year after all.  Personally I think it makes a lot of sense to get a young coach and give him a lot of time to figure things out.  Much better than hiring an established, expensive coach with a big ego who might only be around for a year or two anyway. 

I think people tend to do better when they know they have time to figure out how to best do things their way and that they don't have to fear for their job if things don't go exactly according to plan in the first year or two.  Only if Stevens is truly screwing up and actually hindering the development of our players will his job be in jeopardy.  I seriously doubt that will happen.  I believe in Stevens.


In any case, better get used to it.  This year is not going to be 'pretty.'  But in every game there will be things to enjoy.  Just because this is a "tanking" roster doesn't mean it's not worth watching, or that we as fans are getting cheated.  Indeed, I think Danny is doing his duty for the franchise; he's doing what he needs to do to give us a competitive, entertaining, and long-lasting team a few years down the road.

Agree 100% with this. Seriously, what do people expect from Stevens?  The game against the Bucks was his 2nd NBA game as a head coach, and he's been given a mismatched roster with mediocre talent at best.

Stevens will make mistakes, this much we know.  I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I WANT Stevens to make mistakes this year.  Making mistakes is the best way to learn.

Be thankful that Danny has committed to a coach for the long term.  It's much better than what other organizations are doing when they go through 3 or 4 coaches within 5 years.

Stevens is a smart dude who knows basketball.  VERY smart.  And, as the above alluded to, he will develop into a very good NBA coach in time.  Believe in Stevens.

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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2013, 12:47:57 PM »

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That blown lead should have been a concern. But i'm still not that worried.

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Re: Wallace is right, Stevens is not an NBA coach, and Crawford is poison.
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2013, 01:49:07 PM »

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What kind of coach was he when they were up 22?

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