Celtics salary cap advice please? (can we do this example trade with Portland?)

[chambers]

I'm slowly trying to learn the cap situation and how it works- it's time consuming though. So at the end of this season, heading into 2014-15, we'll have Bradley, Crawford, Brooks all possibly coming off the books, and Humphries too.

Lets say we want LaMarcus Aldridge from the Blazers.

My question is can we trade guys like Avery, Brooks and Humphries in the off season- or do we have till the end of the trade deadline in 2014-15 if they are expiring? ie
Can we do this in the off season so our pick is still as good as possible?
 
 Humphries($10 million)
+ Lee (4.5 million)
+ Jared Sullinger (1.4 million)
+ Avery Bradley (extended for 3 yrs @ 5 million a year? (guessing)
+ 2015 Clippers pick
+ 2014 Nets pick


for

  L. Aldridge 14.8 Million (2014-15, free agents 2015-16)
+ Mo Williams 2.7 million (team option 2014-15)

leaving us with

*Rondo
*Aldridge
*2014 pick to do what we want.
*Green


I was also wondering if we can use Pierce's trade exception even if we are already over the cap to acquire another star ?
Or do we have be at a certain level of the cap to use it ?

Could we acquire Aldridge or Love using this trade exception and if we did, how long does that salary not count against the cap?

Appreciate it guys!

[Celtics4ever]

Seems like a lot to give out for two guys that have never taken their teams deep in the playoffs.

[BUTerrier]

I'm not saying I'm a salary cap expert -- and I don't mean anything I'm saying here in a hostile way -- but I can't tell if you're assuming we're resigning Humphries for $10 million (his salary this year is $12 million) or if you're confused about the meaning of "expiring contract." These guys are expiring because this is the last season we have them; if we wait until the off-season, they're all free-agents (except for maybe Bradley; I can't recall if he's unrestricted or restricted). So if we're going to trade Humphries, it has to be by the trade deadline this year, or he just leaves.

I was going to try to explain the other aspects of your question, such as the trade exception, but I'm not sure I fully grasp it any more than you do. If you're interested in learning, I strongly advise you to read Larry Coon's CBA FAQ (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm), as he is considered the expert on all things salary cap related.

[guava_wrench]

Seems like a lot to give out for two guys that have never taken their teams deep in the playoffs.

Where have Lee, Sully and AB taken us?

Mo Williams has been to the finals, as has Lee. So what?

[saltlover]

You can't trade Humphries after the trade deadline in this, the final year of his contract.  So for an off-season trade with Humphries, you'd need a sign-and-trade.

However, if you insert Keith Bogans in place of Humphries, whose salary is non-guaranteed for next year, you can do this trade per the salary cap rules, which would allow the Celtics to effectively take back a lot more salary than they're sending out, since Portland can just release Bogans for free.  I'd also note that Lee makes ~$5.5 mil next year, not $4.5 mil.

Also, if you're going to include Bradley as a sign-and-trade, you have to use Aldridge's salary for next year, which is $16 million, and not this year.

I'm not going to evaluate this trade in terms of quality, just salary cap.

[D.o.s.]

A trade exception means that you can acquire more salary without having to match it with outgoing salary (which you do, with some restrictions, normally*), usually they come into existence after a trading away a player with a large contract for a player without.

It happens a lot when players get traded for draft picks--since those picks don't actually have a salary attached to them (as they're not players yet), a trade exception is generated.

Per the FAQ:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

a team trades away a $2 million player for a $1 million player. Sometime in the next year, they trade a draft pick (with zero trade value itself) for a $1.1 million player to complete the earlier trade.

In the above example, following the initial trade of the $2 million player for the $1 million player, it was like the team had a $1 million "credit" which was good for one year, with which they could acquire salaries without having to send out salaries to match.

Somehow we ended up with a ~10 million dollar trade exception in the Pierce/KG trade with the Nets.


Salary restrictions:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82
Non-Taxpaying Teams

Outgoing salary-----------Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $9.8 million--------150% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0002
$9.8 million to $19.6 million--------The outgoing salary plus $5 million
$19.6 million and up----------125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

[eugen]

I'm slowly trying to learn the cap situation and how it works- it's time consuming though. So at the end of this season, heading into 2014-15, we'll have Bradley, Crawford, Brooks all possibly coming off the books, and Humphries too.

Lets say we want LaMarcus Aldridge from the Blazers.

My question is can we trade guys like Avery, Brooks and Humphries in the off season- or do we have till the end of the trade deadline in 2014-15 if they are expiring? ie
Can we do this in the off season so our pick is still as good as possible?
 
 Humphries($10 million)
+ Lee (4.5 million)
+ Jared Sullinger (1.4 million)
+ Avery Bradley (extended for 3 yrs @ 5 million a year? (guessing)
+ 2015 Clippers pick
+ 2014 Nets pick


for

  L. Aldridge 14.8 Million (2014-15, free agents 2015-16)
+ Mo Williams 2.7 million (team option 2014-15)

leaving us with

*Rondo
*Aldridge
*2014 pick to do what we want.
*Green


I was also wondering if we can use Pierce's trade exception even if we are already over the cap to acquire another star ?
Or do we have be at a certain level of the cap to use it ?

Could we acquire Aldridge or Love using this trade exception and if we did, how long does that salary not count against the cap?

Appreciate it guys!

Sorry but DA "strategy" is very different from your point of view and your prospective. He is preparing:

1. tanking,
2. super tanking
3. mega tanking.

 If Stevens gets fired DA already selected a new virtual coach, who is a teenager 16 years old from high school…Got it?