Jimmer Fredette - Ainge interest ?

[aingeforthree]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/10/31/jimmer-fredette-contract-sacramento-kings/3329339/

Are the Celtics one of the teams ?

Obviously a loaded roster, but still.  Sacramento needs a 3 man upgrade, is Wallace better than John Salmons ?

Wallace/Brooks for Fredette/Salmons

We dump Wallaces contract early, we take on Salmons contract which expires next year.  With Fredette's option not picked up, he's an expiring contract this year.

[moiso]

I'd like him on the C's.  He's fun to watch and we need a distraction from the losing. 

[Lucky17]

Why would Sacramento do this? I think Boston needs to add something to entice the Kings. Considering Wallace's contract, a 1st rounder.

[aingeforthree]

Why would Sacramento do this? I think Boston needs to add something to entice the Kings. Considering Wallace's contract, a 1st rounder.

The SF need for Sacramento.

Is Wallace an upgrade over Salmons ?

I think Gerald's far better.  Some may consider it close, but IMO I think Wallace is far better, especially defensively.

Sacramento has no 3 man and they have no place to put Jimmer since Vasquez, Thomas, Thornton, & Ben Mclemore are on the team ahead of him.

[Lucky17]

Sacramento can trade with someone else for a far better return than Wallace's contract and Brooks.

As you mentioned, Salmons' is basically an expiring contract. So is Jimmer's. Why cash in those two chips for Gerald Wallace?

If the Kings wanted to, they could add a 1st rounder to Salmons and Fredette and likely get DeMar DeRozan from Toronto, or help broker such a deal for a 3rd team and get back assets instead of giving up the 1st rounder.

[aingeforthree]

Sacramento can trade with someone else for a far better return than Wallace's contract and Brooks.

As you mentioned, Salmons' is basically an expiring contract. So is Jimmer's. Why cash in those two chips for Gerald Wallace?

In 2 years Salmons is expiring.  Right now, it's a terrible contract for Sacramento....8 M per.

So you're trading terrible contract for terrible contract but hoping Wallace gives you more than Salmons (IMO, Wallace gives you far more at the 3 spot).

It might require a 2nd round pick on top of it for Sacramento, just based on Jimmer's value being more than Marshon Brooks.

Wallace for Salmons.

Brooks + a 2nd rounder for Fredette.

With Fredette expiring, they won't get a 1st round pick for him if they're trading him this year.  I'd guess a 2nd rounder at the most.  His future in Sacramento looks bleak with them not picking up his option for next year.  So if you're Sac, you either get something for him now or he's gone for no pick/player.

[aingeforthree]

BTW, my idea is strictly based on Wallace vs Salmons.

As I asked in my OP, how much of an upgrade is he over Salmons ?

If he isn't that much of an upgrade to Sac, then obviously they won't be doing the trade.

For the 3 spot, I think he'd be valued greatly with that Sacramento team.

Vasquez/Thornton/Wallace/Patterson/Cousins

Especially since Coach Malone is defense oriented and Wallace is far better there than Salmons.

[Lucky17]

Salmons contract for next year is only guaranteed for $1 million, so it's virtually an expiring deal.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/kings.jsp

I don't think that Wallace brings a whole lot more to the table than Salmons. Both are fairly one-dimensional players, but on opposite sides of the ball.

I also doubt that Wallace and DeMarcus Cousins would get along very well.

[sofutomygaha]

Are you sure Fredette is a more promising player than Brooks?

[aingeforthree]

Are you sure Fredette is a more promising player than Brooks?

I view them both as unproven.  You really don't know what you have in either player.

[aingeforthree]

Salmons contract for next year is only guaranteed for $1 million, so it's virtually an expiring deal.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/kings.jsp

I don't think that Wallace brings a whole lot more to the table than Salmons. Both are fairly one-dimensional players, but on opposite sides of the ball.

I also doubt that Wallace and DeMarcus Cousins would get along very well.

That's the key right there.  Because if Sacramento thinks that, then no way does a trade like that happen.

I think Wallace is far better than Salmons.  Both ends of the floor, & defensively especially.

[Lucky17]

I can see Wallace making more substantive contributions to a playoff team's success than Salmons. He's obviously the better defender, and can chip in some points here and there on sheer hustle and grit, whereas Salmons' only real value to a team is as a scorer. If he's not hitting his shots, he's a net negative.

I do think that Fredette might be a trade target for Ainge: Fredette is on a cheap deal, is still young, and (ostensibly) has a real talent for shooting the ball.

If Ainge could possibly swing that kind of trade without giving up much beyond Wallace and Brooks, it'd be a coup.

[aingeforthree]

I can see Wallace making more substantive contributions to a playoff team's success than Salmons. He's obviously the better defender, and can chip in some points here and there on sheer hustle and grit, whereas Salmons' only real value to a team is as a scorer. If he's not hitting his shots, he's a net negative.

I do think that Fredette might be a trade target for Ainge: Fredette is on a cheap deal, is still young, and (ostensibly) has a real talent for shooting the ball.

If Ainge could possibly swing that kind of trade without giving up much beyond Wallace and Brooks, it'd be a coup.

I look at all the rumors around Ainge & JJ Redick from years past & think, Fredette could be a poor man's Redick.  Pretty comparable.  Ainge could definitely be interested.

Redick's 1st year he played 42 games, averaged 14.8 minutes a game, 39% from 3 and 6 PPG

Jimmer's 1st year he played 61 games, averaged 18.6 minutes a game, 36% from 3 and 7.6 PPG

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Redick's 2nd year he played 34 games, averaged 8.1 minutes per game, 39% from 3 and 4.1 PPG

Jimmer played 69 games, averaged 14 minutes per game, he shot 42% from 3 and averaged 7.2 PPG

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Per 36

Redick per 36 his second year 18.3 PPG and 2.1 APG

Jimmer per 36 18.4 PPG and 3.4 APG


Obviously both situations are different.  But the point is, Redick mirrors Fredette in a way and JJ really didn't start to blossom until year 4.

So I'm guessing the C's might be one of the teams that have inquired.  With his option not picked up, Sacramento doesn't have use for him unless someone goes down.

[Celtics4ever]

Redick per 36 his second year 18.3 PPG and 2.1 APG

Kind of pointless with the 8.1 MPG he played to use 36 min stats, no?

[Endless Paradise]

Redick per 36 his second year 18.3 PPG and 2.1 APG

Kind of pointless with the 8.1 MPG he played to use 36 min stats, no?

2013 MVP candidate Earl Barron with his season averages of 11 PPG/18 REB/2 AST/1 BLK has something to say about that.