Prediction: Hayward will be S&T'd to the Cs for Jeff Green next summer.

[The Rondo Show]

THis board has lost its mind

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Question: what kind of precedents do we have for college coaches jumping to the NBA and then lobbying for trades for their former players?

Pitino drafted/acquired some of his guys didn't he?

sure (tho he was the GM as well).

doc rivers could be coaching this team and i'd make the same prediction, but it certainly doesn't hurt that stevens knows and likes GH.

Right.

My problem is that people are automatically assuming Hayward is Boston-bound because of the college connection.

For all we know, Ainge may not like Hayward at all, as a player and/or the requisite financial commitment that Hayward's new contract would entail.

i haven't posted in the forums in months -- it's not a coincidence i threw out this prediction. i also know that the Cs grew to lust GH in large part due to ryan mcd, so as for assumptions, i'd say a fair one is that the suns will also be active suitors next summer.

Didn't mean to make it seem like I was singling you out.

This idea has been in the wind for some time, intensifying this week, with extension talks between Hayward and the Jazz fizzling out.

But there's been little of substance beyond the drumbeat of "Butler, Butler, Butler" behind the idea of Hayward in Celtic green.

ah -- cool -- didn't realize this was an ongoing topic, as i've not been on the blog much.

i can't say where my substance comes from -- let's just say it ain't sherrod. but, regardless of what one hears / who one believes, i'd point out it's obviously not that hard to fathom that the Cs like the guy...

[indeedproceed]

Question: what kind of precedents do we have for college coaches jumping to the NBA and then lobbying for trades for their former players?

Pitino drafted/acquired some of his guys didn't he?

sure (tho he was the GM as well).

doc rivers could be coaching this team and i'd make the same prediction, but it certainly doesn't hurt that stevens knows and likes GH.

Right.

My problem is that people are automatically assuming Hayward is Boston-bound because of the college connection.

For all we know, Ainge may not like Hayward at all, as a player and/or the requisite financial commitment that Hayward's new contract would entail.

i haven't posted in the forums in months -- it's not a coincidence i threw out this prediction. i also know that the Cs grew to lust GH in large part due to ryan mcd, so as for assumptions, i'd say a fair one is that the suns will also be active suitors next summer.

Didn't mean to make it seem like I was singling you out.

This idea has been in the wind for some time, intensifying this week, with extension talks between Hayward and the Jazz fizzling out.

But there's been little of substance beyond the drumbeat of "Butler, Butler, Butler" behind the idea of Hayward in Celtic green.

I didn't even know this was a thing.

[Lucky17]

Search "Hayward" in the Trade Ideas and Rumors board, you'll see. A sampling:

Idea: Rondo for Hayward & Burks
trade for Gordon Hayward idea
Could C's get G.Hayward ?

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Search "Hayward" in the Trade Ideas and Rumors board, you'll see. A sampling:

Idea: Rondo for Hayward & Burks
trade for Gordon Hayward idea
Could C's get G.Hayward ?

Pretty sure "Idea: Rondo for Hayward & Burks" was mine, posted before last years deadline. The Cs had interest in Hayward pre-Stevens.

[coco]

Haven't seen Hayward play too much, but I've got a feeling that we'd be the losers on such a trade.

Hayward for JGreen -  No.

now; Hayward for CLee or BBAss or JCrawford or Hump.  Let's do it!!

[green147]

Hayward is really not that great. He's a good scorer, and will never be a star. He's not worth Jeff Green (never mind an extra pick). He cant play D and he he can't get to the hoop. He's a young Mike Dunleavy with more upside, but he is vastly overrated (in my opinion). I'd be much more intrigued in going after a guy like Klay Thompson if you were going the pure shooter route.

[slamtheking]

Haven't seen Hayward play too much, but I've got a feeling that we'd be the losers on such a trade.

Hayward for JGreen -  No.

now; Hayward for CLee or BBAss or JCrawford or Hump.  Let's do it!!

I think this is a fair assessment.  Hayward is a nice player to have but not at Green's level yet.  things may be different by the end of the year

[Endless Paradise]

I can't find any reports linking the Celtics to Hayward before the Stevens hire.  That said, here's the thing: that could very well be true.  However,  if Ainge were looking to trade for Hayward before he broke up the team, how do we know if he wasn't just looking for a complimentary piece to strengthen their chances as contenders?  The Celtics consistently ranked in the lower half of the league on offense, so it's not inconceivable that Ainge may have viewed someone like Hayward as offering a potential solution to that.  That doesn't necessarily mean Ainge feels Hayward is a building block or an appropriate piece for the rebuild.  It's extremely possible that his feelings may have changed on him now that the team is moving in a different direction.  Hayward hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but who knows if Danny just doesn't think the guy is someone you shape your future around.

Just saying, whatever may have transpired in the past happened when the team was still looking to contend; none of that necessarily still holds true at this point.  Look no further than the rumors surrounding guys like Bass and Lee, who'd probably be viewed as a lot more valuable if the team had a realistic chance of being competitive this season.

[guava_wrench]

I'd rather keep Jeff, especially if he has a big year.  I dont understand the hard on for bringing Hayward and Stevens together.

So if he has a bad year, you want to trade him when we can't get value? But if he has a good year, you don't want to trade him when we can get value?

That is buy high, sell low. If you want to get anything decent in return, you need to trade something of value, not just your castoffs.

[crimson_stallion]

Hayward is really not that great. He's a good scorer, and will never be a star. He's not worth Jeff Green (never mind an extra pick). He cant play D and he he can't get to the hoop. He's a young Mike Dunleavy with more upside, but he is vastly overrated (in my opinion). I'd be much more intrigued in going after a guy like Klay Thompson if you were going the pure shooter route.

I agree completely

No way I'd trade Green for Hayward.  I think Green is one of the most unrated players in the league right now.  His limited minutes last year combined with with his struggles while returning from surgery have skewed his stats to look worse than he is.

Green is a guy who just goes about his business quietly, so he doesn't draw all that media attention.  That said, his scoring ability combined with his ability to shut down opposing superstar swingmen means that he has a tendancy to win his matchups. 

He's one of those guys who looks like he's not done much and is on cruise control, but at the end of the game he has 25 points, 6 rebounds, has gotten to the line 8 tines, and has held his defensive assignment to 35% shooting.

[Tr1boy]

If Utah is willing to trade Hayward and be satisfied with receiving Jeff Green, i would be overwhelmed with happiness.

We could seriously use Haywards three point shooting and it would take him no time to understand brad stevens system. In addition i'd guess he would take a slight paycut to play under stevens

Jeff Green is lost. He is a third option with enourmous amount of pressure right now to be the #1 guy. And also without a guy like KG massaging his ego, he will have a nightmare time the rest of the year. It's similiar to what happened with Bargnani and the raptors.

[fantankerous]

No way I'd trade Green for Hayward.  I think Green is one of the most unrated players in the league right now.  His limited minutes last year combined with with his struggles while returning from surgery have skewed his stats to look worse than he is.

Green is a guy who just goes about his business quietly, so he doesn't draw all that media attention.  That said, his scoring ability combined with his ability to shut down opposing superstar swingmen means that he has a tendancy to win his matchups. 

He's one of those guys who looks like he's not done much and is on cruise control, but at the end of the game he has 25 points, 6 rebounds, has gotten to the line 8 tines, and has held his defensive assignment to 35% shooting.

In 398 career regular season games, Green has totaled at least 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 8 free throw attempts an astounding 7 times.  I didn't bother to check his defensive numbers in those 7 games, which would exclude even more.  Suffice it to say, your perception of Green and reality are very far apart.

[chambers]

One overated mediocre guy with little upside (Hayward) for another underrated mediocre guy with more upside.

Danny Ainge has zero interest in Hayward. He wants a championship and Hayward is not that guy on a championship team.
We'll get building blocks to pair with Rondo and then build around them....then we'll go after role players like Hayward.

Just because he played at Butler doesn't mean anything to Ainge. He removes emotion from most decisions if we use the past 5 years as an example.
Danny's going after game changers first, top 40 or 50 guys like Hayward are an afterthought for a rebuilding program like us.
Spurs could use Hayward to replace Ginobli off the bench, or the grizzlies could use him. He's a 4th or 5th wheel on a contender.

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One overated mediocre guy with little upside (Hayward) for another underrated mediocre guy with more upside.

Danny Ainge has zero interest in Hayward. He wants a championship and Hayward is not that guy on a championship team.
We'll get building blocks to pair with Rondo and then build around them....then we'll go after role players like Hayward.

Just because he played at Butler doesn't mean anything to Ainge. He removes emotion from most decisions if we use the past 5 years as an example.
Danny's going after game changers first, top 40 or 50 guys like Hayward are an afterthought for a rebuilding program like us.
Spurs could use Hayward to replace Ginobli off the bench, or the grizzlies could use him. He's a 4th or 5th wheel on a contender.

Generalizing that the Cs wouldn't trade a non-top 10 player for another non-top 10 player -- simply due to the fact that they aren't -- doesn't make a great deal of sense.

So adamantly cornering Danny Ainge's plan of action is also not rich in historical perspective.