Sully Suspended

[Fafnir]

This is the right move.  And I am sure it came with a meeting in Wyc's office that included the words "this is your one last chance...don't mess it up."

I hope he didn't say that.

You don't make threats like that when you won't back them up and I highly doubt Ainge is willing to waive Sullinger if another incident comes up and results in no charges.

[aingeforthree]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Good luck getting that by the union.

Proportionality and precedent is something you have to consider when it comes to workplace discipline.

Exactly what's wrong with society, government, etc.

The 'right' thing is never done in these situations unfortunately.  Unions, government, etc. all get in the way.

It's why our society is where its at today.  In the Shaq hole.

[Phil125]

You know what's an easy thing to do in life?  Not get arrested.  Its easy I've been around a long time and it was not hard at all not getting arrested.  How come these morons we see everyday can't get out of their own way.  Sully must have the IQ of a dead sewer rat.

[Fafnir]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Good luck getting that by the union.

Proportionality and precedent is something you have to consider when it comes to workplace discipline.

Exactly what's wrong with society, government, etc.

The 'right' thing is never done in these situations unfortunately.  Unions, government, etc. all get in the way.

It's why our society is where its at today.  In the Shaq hole.

Due process and rule of law is an awful thing when it conflicts with your personal views of "what should be done".

[Fafnir]

You know what's an easy thing to do in life?  Not get arrested.  Its easy I've been around a long time and it was not hard at all not getting arrested.  How come these morons we see everyday can't get out of their own way.  Sully must have the IQ of a dead sewer rat.

IQ has little to do with getting arrested, instead its about judgment and self-control. Young people are often bad at both things

[fairweatherfan]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Good luck getting that by the union.

Proportionality and precedent is something you have to consider when it comes to workplace discipline.

Exactly what's wrong with society, government, etc.

The 'right' thing is never done in these situations unfortunately.  Unions, government, etc. all get in the way.

It's why our society is where its at today.  In the Shaq hole.

So the "right" thing is whatever sounds good off the top of your head? 

And like Faf says, due process and rule of law are not some radical new social development. 

[pearljammer10]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Seriously. The fact that this is treated as less of an issue than the guys who fail drug tests is, at best, a little messed up.

Mitigated, of course, by the fact that the charges were dropped, and innocent until proven guilty and all that.

This. Well deserved one game suspension. Should have gotten at least three. Nothing to do with tanking at all.

[Who]

Great now we get to see Amir Johnson double up on Bass' rebounding numbers.

Maybe they should start Humphries (PF) instead in Sully's absence.

[D.o.s.]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Seriously. The fact that this is treated as less of an issue than the guys who fail drug tests is, at best, a little messed up.

Mitigated, of course, by the fact that the charges were dropped, and innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Why is it messed up?

One is a workplace issue, compliance with the drug policy and integrity of competition.

Another is a personal life issue that doesn't impinge the game itself, merely Sullinger's character given that the charges have been dismissed.

Punishing employees for issues in their personal life is something that's fraught with peril for an employer.

I think we're talking about different drug tests.

To that end, I think we're both talking about things that can be easily classified as "a personal life issue that doesn't impinge on the game itself."

Another topic for another thread (but not at CB, I don't believe).

Now, these are muddied waters because the charges were dropped, but on paper I'd have no problem with putting his game-day paycheck towards a program like Reach.

Obvs. I wasn't there/following it professionally so I can't speak with any authority beyond that.

[sed522002]

Sully's statements (Per Twitter)

Scott Souza ‏@scott_souza 7m
#Celtics forward Jared Sullinger: it was a couple of mistakes by young people, it won't happen again (says he did not admit wrongdoing).

Scott Souza ‏@scott_souza 7m
#Celtics forward Jared Sullinger said he understood suspension, realizes his actions reflect on team as whole.

Jay King ‏@ByJayKing 10m
Sullinger said he accepts suspension fully: "we're trying to build a culture here."

[SHAQATTACK]

Well.....all I know ......from the little info I have on Sully's case,  that a pyscho - baby goes off the deep end an gets a young man in trouble for maybe nothing .....charge dismissed

I would have a stern talk with him about all bimbos that are going to be after him and his money.

Just a warning to start.......he seems like a great kid

But.......what ever .....water under the bridge

It's all good .....for the tank I suppose

[KGs Knee]

Good to see the Celtics are fully vested in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty". 

Suspending a player who, as far as the law is concerned, did nothing wrong, is wrong.  Not impressed with the Cs front office here.  I get they are trying to send the message that domestic violence is wrong, and to be sure, it is, but where's the evidence Sully is actually guilty of any wrong doing?  Some woman's words, who refuses to testify?  So now we're suspending players for every time some false claim is made by someone?  I am appalled.

Also, I am disappointed in Sully for not coming out and saying he does not agree with the suspension, and will be appealing through the players union.  His acceptance of the punishment serves only to condone this perception based culture we live in, in which all it takes is one person to say whatever they want, and regardless of facts and evidence, you're now viewed as "guilty" by many.  Sad state of affairs our society is in.

[SHAQATTACK]

Kinda like th way car insurance work...... Your in a accident totally not of your fault ,  but you are held accountable ,  for being at the wrong place at the wrong time........rates go up,  etc....this is fair?

So ,  if Sully goes into a bar and somebody threatens him ,  he protects himself by bashing the guys face in before he takes a bullet or knife to the belly.......is Sully guilty for living ,  standing up for yourself is human nature,

For all we know the girl may have been equally at fault or more so, but pulled a bimbo stunt and got him in big trouble a Celtic.
Because .......why ....she could .

Never liked being guilty by association .

[Fafnir]

Good to see the Celtics are fully vested in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty". 

Suspending a player who, as far as the law is concerned, did nothing wrong, is wrong.  Not impressed with the Cs front office here.  I get they are trying to send the message that domestic violence is wrong, and to be sure, it is, but where's the evidence Sully is actually guilty of any wrong doing?  Some woman's words, who refuses to testify?  So now we're suspending players for every time some false claim is made by someone?  I am appalled.

Also, I am disappointed in Sully for not coming out and saying he does not agree with the suspension, and will be appealing through the players union.  His acceptance of the punishment serves only to condone this perception based culture we live in, in which all it takes is one person to say whatever they want, and regardless of facts and evidence, you're now viewed as "guilty" by many.  Sad state of affairs our society is in.

A private employer doesn't have to abide by innocent until proven guilty, that's a legal principal for criminal justice. Particularly when Sullinger as an NBA player is a public figure whose job related duties include a lot of public PR work.

Besides if you've followed the case Sullinger hasn't been screaming that this is a false accusation or anything like that. He plead not guilty and released this statement:

http://nesn.com/2013/09/jared-sullinger-celtics-issue-statements-on-domestic-violence-charges-against-forward/

"I voluntarily reported to the Waltham police this morning to respond to charges against me,” Sullinger said in the statement. “The experience was humbling and embarrassing for me. Yet I know that this situation has brought both sorrow and embarrassment to my girlfriend, my family, the Boston Celtics organization, my teammates, and my fans. To all of you, I apologize from the bottom of my heart. “My lawyers have advised me not to discuss the case at this time. But I wanted to immediately and publicly apologize to everyone affected by this situation.” The Celtics also issued a statement in conjunction with Sullinger, declining further comment on the matter. “The Celtics were disappointed to learn of the allegations against Jared and are currently gathering more information on the situation, which we are taking seriously,” the statement reads. “We will reserve further comment until such point that we have sufficient additional information.”

Sullinger could fight this via the Union, but I'm not disappointed he didn't. Better to avoid the acrimony and bad PR and move on with his life and career.

[Fafnir]

Tank-You verrrrry. Much.  .........Mr Ainge


Sooooooooooooooo......much for game  one 

He's lucky it's just 1.  I would've given him at least 5 games, plus maybe about 10 paychecks, all going to Boston's "Reach" program (Domestic Violence Shelter, organization)

Seriously. The fact that this is treated as less of an issue than the guys who fail drug tests is, at best, a little messed up.

Mitigated, of course, by the fact that the charges were dropped, and innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Why is it messed up?

One is a workplace issue, compliance with the drug policy and integrity of competition.

Another is a personal life issue that doesn't impinge the game itself, merely Sullinger's character given that the charges have been dismissed.

Punishing employees for issues in their personal life is something that's fraught with peril for an employer.

I think we're talking about different drug tests.

To that end, I think we're both talking about things that can be easily classified as "a personal life issue that doesn't impinge on the game itself."

Another topic for another thread (but not at CB, I don't believe).

The 70s and 80s proved that recreational drug use were as big concern for the game's integrity and level of competition as performance enhancers. (NBA cares more about recreational drugs than performance IMO)

Death, failure to perform at high levels, and draft busts galore because of them.